Gallipoli brothers

[malch]

Malcolm,

I most certainly am and these are new to me, thank you very much,

Bob

I have done a bit of research on these chaps. If you would like a copy PM me an e-mail address.

M

[bobpike]

Malcolm,

I certainly will, thank you,

Bob

[bobpike]

BROTHERS

Colonist, Volume LVII, Issue 14153, 2 August 1916, Page 4

Private P. M'Nabb (son of ,Mr E M'Nabb, of Motueka) killed in France formerly lived in Palmerston North, and was one of six brothers who volunteered for service. One was rejected for physical reasons after being in camp at Rangiotu for some months. The others went forward with their units. Two were killed on Gallipoli, and the third son has now given his life in France, where the two remaining brothers are still fighting. The youngest was just over 18 when he went away with the force

McNABB , CYRIL -Private-10/819-30/04/1915 -21-Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F.-New Zealand-76.-LONE PINE MEMORIAL

McNABB , ROY ALEXANDER -Private-10/830-27/04/1915 -19-Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F.-New Zealand-76.-LONE PINE MEMORIAL

McNABB , VINCENT -Private-8/2683-12/07/1916 -28-Otago Regiment, N.Z.E.F.-New Zealand-II. D. 8.-CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES

[Kentishwolf]

You probably have them, but George Alfred Dunlop, 312 NoK Mrs E Dunlop, 100 Peacock Street, Gravesend Pte 10th Bn, Australian Inf, died of wounds 2 May 1915, Gallipoli, age 32, no known grave, and what appears to be his brother, John Edgar Dunlop, 1153, NoK, Mother Mrs Eliz Dunlop, 100, Peacock Street, Gravesend, Pte 16th Bn, G Coy, Australian Inf, killed in action, also 2 May 1915, Gallipoli, no known grave, age 29.

[River97]

You may have this pair of brothers as well:

Flight Lieutenant William Wallace Allison Burn, New Zealand Staff Corps attached Royal Flying Corps, 30 Squadron. Killed in Action 30 May 1915, Mesopotamia. Burn was the first professional military pilot from New Zealand to die in the war. Commemorated on the Basra Memorial.

His brother Trooper Robert Bruce Burn of the Canterbury Mounted Rifles was killed at Gallipoli during the night advance of 6-7 August 1915, seven days after his brothers death. Buried in Embarkation Pier Cemetery, Gallipoli.

Cheers Andy.

[bobpike]

Thank you both very much. I have got both sets but the extra information is invaluable,

Happy New Year,

Bob

[bobpike]

Whittingstall Bdr. G 122RFA 26.8.14 – La Ferte-sous-Jouarre Mem and Pte. E R 2Hants 6.8.15 – Helles Mem 125-34.

Williams Tpr. A P 8ALH 7.8.15 – Lone Pine Mem 8 and Gnr. H J AFA 118Bde 20.5.18 – Blangy-Tronville CC G:9.

Williams Pte. J E 15AIF 8.8.15 – 7th. Field Ambulance Cem C26, Pte. F 10AIF 23.7.16 – Villers-Bretonneux Mem and Pte. T P 14AIF 13.4.18 – Doullens CCE No. 1 6C55.

Wilson Pte. J 6Bord 23.7.15 – Pink Farm Cem Sp. Mem 217 and Lce-Cpl. A E 1/5Bord 11.2.19 – Kendal (Parkside) Cem E. CE. 553.

[bobpike]

CROMIE, FRANCIS NEWTON ALLEN

Rank:-Captain

Regiment/Service:-Royal Navy

Unit Text:-(Naval Attache, Petrograd)

Age:-36

Date of Death:-31/08/1918

Awards:-C B, D S O

Additional information:-Chevalier, Legion of Honour; Order of St. Vladimir with Swords (Russia); Cross of St. George (Russia). Son of the late Capt. F. C. Cromie, Hampshire Regt. (Consul General, Dakar), and of Mrs. Lennard (formerly Cromie), husband of Mrs. Cromie, of 9, Old Park Rd., Clapham Common, London. Awarded Royal Humane Society's Medal (1906). Served in Boxer Rebellion, 1900 (Mentioned in Despatches).

Casualty Type:-Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial:-ARCHANGEL MEMORIAL

CROMIE, MAURICE FRANCIS

Rank:-Lieutenant

Regiment/Service:-Hampshire Regiment

Unit Text:-3rd Bn. attd. 2nd Bn.

Age:-20

Date of Death:-04/06/1915

Additional information:-Son of Joanna Angela Cromie, of 1, The Mead, Ringwood, Hants, and the late Capt. Charles Francis Cromie (1st Bn. Hampshire Regt.).

Casualty Type:-Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference:-Panel 125-134 or 223-226 228-229 & 328.

Memorial:-HELLES MEMORIAL

[Guest lizbish]

My father in law 's two uncles perished at Gallipoli. His mother never talked of it, and to the best of our knowledge and assumption they were;

Casualty Details

Name: WOODFORD, GEORGE LEOPOLD

Initials: G L

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Serjeant

Regiment/Service: Hampshire Regiment

Unit Text: 1st/8th Bn.

Date of Death: 13/08/1915

Service No: 594

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 125-134 or 223-226 228-229 & 328.

Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

Casualty Details

Name: WOODFORD, ALFRED VICTOR GEORGE

Initials: A V G

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Rifleman

Regiment/Service: Hampshire Regiment

Unit Text: "A" Coy. 1st/8th Bn.

Age: 18

Date of Death: 11/09/1915

Service No: 1632

Additional information: Son of James and E. Woodford, of 2, Milligan Rd., Ryde, Isle of Wight.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 125-134 or 223-226 228-229 & 328.

Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

Hi Chris Iwas interested in this as I have some old photos of a couple my mum called granny and grandad woodford .

They were not related to her but lived next door in milligan rd. ryde and were her surrogate grandparents as she had none

of her own.My mum was born in 1916 best wishes Liz

[bobpike]

Liz,

Can you post them on the Forum, please?

Bob

[frev]

Hi Bob - just adding the following incase you don't yet have them - cheers, Frev

Sons of George Duncan DONALDSON & Grace Gertrude SHIRLEY, of Wahroonga, NSW:

Death at Gallipoli:

Charles Bernard DONALDSON (nickname “Joe”)– born 1891 Wilcannia, NSW

Sydney Grammar School. University of Sydney – B.A., Diploma in Economics & Commerce, Law III

Civil Servant [6ft 1in, 11st 12lbs, fair complexion, blue eyes, fair hair)

Enlisted 1/12/1914 – Pte 1341 (1308)

Sailed from Sydney on the 11/2/1915 on A48 Seang Bee with the 2nd Reinforcements of the 2nd Battalion – TOS B Coy

Shot & killed by a sniper 20/7/1915, whilst engaged in sapping at Brown’s Dip – as he carried a bag of sand along a shallow part of the trench

Buried same day by Rev A.E. Talbot, at Browns Dip North Cemetery (Victoria Gully) – No 2 Row 4 Grave 9 (500 yards S of Anzac Cove) – exhumed and re-interred Lone Pine Cemetery – Plot 2, Row E, Grave 14

Death on the WF:

John Ebenezer DONALDSON – Born 2/7/1887 Rosewater, SA

Sydney Grammar School. MB – Sydney University

Resident Pathologist, Sydney Hospital

Enlisted 14/8/1914 – served AN&MEF – appointment terminated 24/2/1915

Re-embarked 25/6/1915 with the 19th Bn

Proceeded to join MEF Gallipoli 16/8/15

15/11/15 Paratyphoid – admitted 2nd AGH Ghezireh 25/11/15 – ret to duty 28/1/16

Proceeded to join BEF 18/3/16 – disembarked Marseilles 25/3/16

Married Minnie Kate PORTER (Sister, AANS) 8/7/1916 France

Wounded in action 26/7/1916 Pozieres

Died 11/8/1916 at No. 1 Red Cross Hosp, Le Touquet, France of Bronch-Pneumonia following GSW to back (paraplegia)

Buried Etaples Military Cemetery

(His widow returned to Australia after his death & then re-enlisted in the AANS the following year)

Their father died the following year 12/5/1917 & in October 1918 the one remaining brother (Lieut George Shirley Donaldson, MC) was returned home citing ‘family reasons’

[Anneca]

It is a long time since this interesting thread was started and I am amazed at how many names of brothers have emerged. I have spent some time looking at it but have not yet come across two distant relatives. They may well be on your list and I could have overlooked them, if not, I would like to add their names.

JAMES GREER, Sapper, Postal Section, Royal Engineers, No. 59804, KIA at Gallipoli 23 August 1915, age 27. Commemorated on Helles Memorial.

WILLIAM (or WALLACE) GREER, Rifleman, 8th Battalion Royal Irish Rifles, No. 12847, KIA at the Somme, 2 July 1916, age 22. Commemorated on Thiepval Memorial.

Both were sons of Mrs Mary Greer of Belfast.

[bobpike]

Frev & Anneca,

Many thanks for your contribution and my apologies for being so slow in replying, but I have been in France with no internet access. I am very grateful for the extra detail although I was aware of both of these,

kind regards,

Bob

[bobpike]

A few more -

Barnes Pte. G 7AIF 26.5.15 – Shrapnel Valley Cem 2D17 and Pte. H 5AIF 14-15.8.15 – Lone Pine Mem 24.

Cochrane Pte. A D 27AIF 9.12.15 – Ari Burnu Cem H1 and Pte. A J S 10AIF 2.5.15 – Lone Pine Mem 32.

Cowell Pte. R and Pte. C 6E Yks 9.8.15 – Helles Mem 51-4.

Denny (Denney) Spr. J Aust Engrs 1 Div Sig Co 27.4.15 – Lone Pine Cem 3c3 and Pte. J A 11AIF 28.6.15 – Shell Green Cem 2G12.

Dunn 2Lt. F W M and 2Lt. J R C 5Welch 20.8.15 – Helles Mem 140-4.

Green Pte. Frank 1/8Hants 12.8.15 and Pte. Fredk. 2Hants 28.4.15 - Helles Mem 125-34.

Jackson Pte. J 16AIF 29.8.15 – Embarkation Pier Cem Sp. Mem B38 and Pte. A G 19AIF 2.5.15 – Quinn’s Post Cem D11.

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Sibbick Pte. H F 2Hants 2.7.15 and Rfn. R R 1/8Hants 12.8.15 - Helles Mem 125-34

Spray Pte. G 6Lincs 9.8.15 – Helles Mem 44-46 and Pte. J 9N&D 9.8.15 – Helles Mem 150-2.

Allen Pte. C A 58AIF 25.9.17 – Menin Gate 29 and Sgt. W W B 9AIF 25.4.15 – Lone Pine Cem L5.

Allen Pte, C F Beds 8.11.18 – Beirut War Cem 89 and Pte. H 2 Hants 8.5.15 – Helles Mem 123-34.

Antcliffe Pte. S 8Welch 8.8.15 – Helles Mem 140-4 and Dvr. H RFA 231MTM Bty 14.7.17 – Bailleul Rd East Cem 1N2.

Baker Pte W R 13AIF 27.8.15 – Lone Pine Mem 36 and Pte H S 10AIF 10.8.18 – Heath Cem 7C14.

Barnett Pte. A 12AIF 25-28.4.15 – Lone Pine Mem 35 and L/C 28AIF 30.5.16 – Bailleul CCE 2A11.

Bayles Pte F 7AIF 8.5.15 – Helles Mem 201-4 and Sgt. G RE 511FC 21.9.17 – Dozinghem MC 5D22.

Bealing Pte. E C NZAMC 1FA 25.11.17 – Hooge Crater Cem 11D12 and Pte. FW NZEF WIR 8.8.15 – Chunuk Bair Mem 19.

Bethel Pte R 14AIF 14.8.15 – 7th. Field Ambulance Cem 2C13 and Pte. W M 15AIF 7.8.16 – Villers-Bretonneux Mem.

Bettles Pte. H W 6AIF 25.4.15 – Lone Pine Mem 26 and Pte. H F 14AMGC 12.5.17 – Queant Rd Cem 2C15.

Biddle Pte. A E 15AIF 10.5.15 – Lone Pine Mem 45 (Biddle's name also appears on Panel 201 on the Helles Memorial, where he was previously commemorated but will be removed when the panel is next replaced) and Sh/Smith W T 25AFA 18.1.17 - Villers-Bretonneux Mem.

[frev]

Hi Bob - you most likely have them......but....just in case!

Julia had 3 sons – Gallipoli almost took all 3 of them.

Sons of Edward Gilbert FLEMMING (d.1905) & Julia Marguerite ROSE [Julia remarried in 1908 NSW to Alexander Cornbloom]

FLEMMING, Geoffrey Lionel – Born 12/10/1898 (Brighton) Glenelg, SA

KIA 16/6/1915 Gallipoli (age 16yrs, 8mths) – buried same day head of Victoria Valley by Rev Father McAuliffe – exhumed 1923 & reinterred Lone Pine Cemetery, II.D.7 (Brown’s Dip)

Enlisted 9/2/1915 NSW, giving his age as 18yrs 1mth

5ft 11in, 150lbs, Dark complexion, grey eyes, dark hair

Pte 1874, 2^nd Bn, 4^th Rfts – embarked 10/4/1915 Argyllshire

Joined 2^nd Bn at Gallipoli Peninsula 26/5/1915

FLEMMING, Valentine – Born 1895 NSW

KIA 6-9/8/1915 Gallipoli (age 20) – commemorated Lone Pine Memorial

1) Enl 11/8/14 AN&MEF, Bugler 104 – emb 19/8/14 on Berrima – 4/3/15 (6mths) New Guinea

2) Enl AIF 13/5/1915, Emb Karoola 16/6/1915 – Pte / Bglr 2262, 4^th Bn, 6^th Rfts (age 20, 6ft 2in) – joined Bn at Gallipoli Peninsula 4/8/15

“Knew a Bugler Flemming of 6^th reinforcements and saw his dead body in the 2^nd line of captured trenches at Lone Pine. He had been shot clean through the heart and was quite dead when witness saw him. Witness was quite close to his body.” [Pte P McCormick, 2195]

“Witness knew Flemming, as they came over in the same reinf. Flemming was shot in the head at Lone Pine during the charge. Witness was there and actually saw him dead in the Turks’ trenches. He had a bullet wound.” [L/Cpl Hawke, 2260]

FLEMMING, Richard Alfred b.1/7/1889 – married 2/10/1914 (Pearl) – d.11/11/1951

Wounded Gallipoli 10/5/1915 (age 26)

1) Enl 18/8/1914, Sgt 617, 2^nd Bn (5ft 11¾ in) – Emb 18/10/1914 on A23 Suffolk – prom 2^nd Lieut 1/5/15– WIA Gallipoli 10/5/15 (GSW abdominal region), evac to Malta & then England – RTA 20/11/15 on Suevic from England (unfit 3mths) – returned to duty 2/3/16 – discharged MU from AIF 10/8/16

2) Reappointed 27/1/1917 – Lieut, Sea Transport Service (Ships Adjutant, voyage only) – Emb at Sydney on Karmala 3/2/1917, disemb Suez 11/3/17 – RTA 15/3/17 on Bakara

Cheers, Frev

[bobpike]

Frev,

Yes I do have them, but not all the extra detail which is all new to me, thank you. Surprisingly the list seems to be drying up, but I cannot believe there aren't more especially amongst the British forces which are poorly documented compared with the AIF and wouldn't it be good to discover some French ones!

Kind Regards,

Bob

[frev]

Hi Bob - afraid I can't help with any French ones! - but fingers crossed - being Smiths, these might be new to you:

[note: the 17yr old David SMITH is buried next to the 16yr old Geoffrey FLEMING in my previous post]

Sons of John SMITH (deceased pre 1915) & Ellen SCOTT

SMITH, David Clement

Born c1897 (Quinbarra) Delegate, NSW

1187, 2^nd Bn, 1^st Refts – D Coy

Enlisted 26/9/1914 giving his age as 18

[5ft 5½in; 148lbs; ruddy complexion, grey eyes, curly reddish brown hair]

Embarked 22/12/1914 on the A32 Themistocles

KIA 27/5/1915 Gallipoli (age 17yrs 8mths)

Buried south of McCoy’s Hill by Rev J Green – exhumed in 1923 & reinterred in the Lone Pine Cemetery, II.D.8

SMITH, William

Born 28/9/1887 Bombala, NSW

L/Cpl 5768, 1^st Bn, 18^th R

Enlisted 4/12/1915 Goulburn, (age given on Attestation form as 42?? – he would have been 28), brother, Michael listed as NOK

Embarked 3/6/1916 on A55 Kyarra

KIA 12/8/1918 France (age 23?? – should be 30) – buried Heath Cemetery, Harbonnieres, France

Four other brothers also served in WW1 – these include:

SMITH, Thomas

Born 6/5/1895 Delegate, NSW – son of Ellen

Pte 2230 (MM), 5^th MG Bn

WW2

d.7/1/1973

SMITH, Joseph

Born c1887 Delegate, NSW

1762, 18^th Bn, 2^nd R

Appl Gallipoli Medallion 1967 (Delegate)

SMITH, John William

Born c1877 Bombala, NSW

2237, 55^th Bn, 4^th R

Living Murwillumbah 1932

Died 12/12/1950 NSW

Cheers, Frev

[bobpike]

Thank you again Frev, have just returned from Gallipoli so apologies for late reply,

Bob

[RaySearching]

Hi Bob Do you have this chap

Serjeant Major JOHN ROGERS

12/128, Auckland Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

who died age 24 on 25 April 1915

Son of James and Catherine Rogers, of 17, Queen St., North Ormesby, Middlesbrough, England.

LONE PINE MEMORIAL

and his brother James on your list,

A quick search of this thread shows a negative result !

if not I can let you have the details on them I have

regards Ray

[bobpike]

Ray,

Sorry to be so late in replying but have been out of internet contact in France.

I have got this pair, but would welcome any further information you can provide,

Kind regards,

Bob

[RaySearching]

Hi Bob

I think you will have most of the folowing on John and James already

From my notes

Sergeant Major JOHN ROGERS

12/128 Auckland Regiment, N.Z.E.F

John Prior to the war emigrated to New Zealand he enlisted as Pte into the 6 Hauraki Coy and was soon

promoted through the ranks to Sergeant Major The Aucklander’s were the first of the New Zealanders to go

ashore at Gallipoli at Anzac Cove They had arrived on the TS Lutzow, John was killed in the the Battle of The

Landings aged 24 on 25^th April 1915 in fighting at the hill known as Baby 700

The history of the Auckland Regiment carries the following passage,

As he lay dying Sergeant Major Rogers raised himself on his elbow and spoke to the

men passing on up, “Don’t let them beat you boys, don’t let them beat you.”

John was the son of James an iron foundry labourer and Catherine Rogers of North Ormesby Middlesbrough

His father and siblings can be found on the 1911 census residing at 4 Short Street North Ormesby

his mother Catherine and John absent from the census, a later address for his parents was

17 Queen Street North Ormesby Johns last New Zealand address was Leicester House Huntly

LONE PINE MEMORIAL

 

Gunner JAMES ROGERS

46425 Royal Field Artillery ( A" Bty. 170th Bde)

Wounded in action James died of his wounds aged 27 on 17^th May 1916

He was the son of James and Catherine Rogers

James can be found on the 1911 census residing with his father an iron foundry labourer and siblings at

4 Short Street North Ormesby Middlesbrough employed as a ship plate riveter (His mother absent from the family home)

James with both of his parents and siblings can be found on the 1901 census residing at 7 Woodhouse Terrace Middlesbrough

Born Middlesbrough enlisted Southwark London

LOUVENCOURT MILITARY CEMETERY

 

Whilst I have not yet found conclusive evidence (not for the want of trying) I believe the following soldier to

be the third son of James and Catherine also killed in action

SDGW have the following Joseph Rogers down as born Middlesbrough residing North Ormesby

the only Joseph Rogers on the 1911 census is the third son of James and Catherine, aged 13 on the census,

which would make him aged 18 in 1916

 

Private JOSEPH ROGERS

3/7920 8^th Bn Yorkshire Regiment

Joseph was killed in action in an attack on the the village of Contalmaison on 10th July 1916 during the Battle of the Somme

Born and enlisted Middlesbrough (resided North Ormesy)

THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

regards Ray

 

Edited Oct 2007   5 years later

 

I have confirmed from the soldiers effects that Joseph Rodgers was the third son of James and Catherine who was KIA

 

The family name originally was spelt as Rodgers this over time became shortened and spelt as Rogers

On the 1901 census The family are Rodgers,

 On the 1911 census, The family residing at North Ormesby Middlesbrough are shown as Rogers,

Catherine (John James and Joseph’s) mother is absent from the family home

Catherine can be found on the 1911 census visiting relatives at 20 Lyndhurst Street Thornaby her name spelt Rodgers

 

On Sergeant Major JOHN ROGERS 12/128 Auckland Regiment, N.Z.E.F application form to join the New Zealand Defence Force which can be found among his service records John signed his name as Rodgers although on later service papers Rogers is shown

 

The following cutting from The Illustrated Chronicle dated 8^th July 1915

He is once again shown as Rodgers

 

The following cutting dated 24th May 1916 N.E.D.G relates to his brother James Rogers 

 

 

 

Confused , you bet I was

Ray 

 

Edited 10 October , 2017 by RaySearching
update

[bobpike]

Gratefully received, Ray, thank you,

Bob

[bobpike]

Corby Pte. E J 15AIF 9.5.15 – Lone Pine Mem 45 and Sgt. M J Aust Engrs 8FC

28.10.17 – Menin Road South Cem 3K6.

Coulson Pte. J H 2AIF 10.8.15 – Lone Pine Cem 3B39 and Rfn. E 1/3NZRB 6.6.18 – Rossignol Wood Cem B16.

[RaySearching]

Hi Bob
Just an after thought regarding Sergeant Major JOHN ROGERS 12/128 Auckland Regiment, N.Z.E.F
If any of your friends in the gallipoli association come across a photo to John Rogers, I would appreciate a copy of the photo
regards Ray