Gallipoli brothers

[bobpike]

Geoff, Steve & Martin,

Again thank you - great stuff. I knew of the Siegenbergs but not the Cottrells. I would be most interested if the Nanney brother can be identified. Yes, I am interested in father/son casualties with a Gallipoli connection, too, but have not started 'collecting' them, as it were,

Bob

[Kookaburra]

In Richard Stowers book "Bloody Gallipoli the New Zealanders Story" he has written that of the NZEF there were 55 pairs of brothers who died as a result of Gallipoli service between 25 April 1915 and 20 December 1915.

Argyle, Armstrong, Bonar, Brewer, Brittan, Burr, Cable, Catchpole, Cogar, Corlett, Cox, Douglas, Earley, Egglestone, Feldwick, Foster, Gripp, Happer, Harrison, Hunter, Jenkins, Jones, Kay, Knight, Leeks, Lewis, Lynch, McInnes, McKinnon, McNabb, McNeil, Mailman, Mellor, Murphy, O'Keefe, Overton, Patterson, Price, Primrose, Richards, Scales, Sheerin, Simpson, Smyth, Sole, Sprott, Statham, Stewart, Stokes, Sustins, Tohill, Varcoe, Walker, Watson, and Watson.

A further two pairs of brothers but one brother served with a different force: Mounsey (brother killed with British at Helles) and Tansley (brother killed with Australians at Anzac).

Also a futher two pairs of brothers died but one brother served in a NZ Military unit with no Gallipoli service: Abbott and Robertson.

Cheers, Diane

[Guest geoff501]

Bob, do you have these three brothers, two at Gallipoli:

William John White 8164 Pte. 2nd Hampshire 27/05/1915 Gallipoli

Herbert Frank White 330679 Rfl. 8th Hampshire 19/04/1917 Jerusalem

Walter James White 11115 Pte. 2nd Hampshire 13/08/1915 Gallipoli

[bobpike]

Diane,

Great stuff, thank you. Sixteen of these were new to me & I have positively identified nine of these, but can you (or anyone) help with these, please? Jones, Lewis, Lynch, McNeil, Patterson, Smyth & Stewart?

Geoff,

Thank you, new ones!

Bob

[Guest geoff501]

Two from Canada:

Joseph Pugh 16966 Private 1st Border Regiment 13/08/1915 Gallipoli

Stanley Pugh 727514 Bugler 58th Canadian Infantry (Central Ontario) 07/08/1918

Sons of William Pugh, of Ontario.

[Clive Temple]

The war memorial in Slinfold, Sussex contains the names of G and FE Charman. I believe it is these two and they were brothers both killed at Gallipoli .

George Charman

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=697064

FE Charman

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_detail...casualty=602167

[Kookaburra]

can you (or anyone) help with these, please? Jones, Lewis, Lynch, McNeil, Patterson, Smyth & Stewart?

Name: JONES, JOHN

Initials: J

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Trooper

Regiment/Service: Auckland Mounted Rifles, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: 08/08/1915

Service No: 13/700

Additional information: Brother of Mrs. W. Andrew, of Warrington Rd., Remuera, Auckland.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 2.

Memorial: CHUNUK BAIR (NEW ZEALAND) MEMORIAL

Name: JONES, OWEN SINCLAIR

Initials: O S

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Trooper

Regiment/Service: Auckland Mounted Rifles, N.Z.E.F.

Age: 20

Date of Death: 30/06/1915

Service No: 13/371

Additional information: Son of Alexander Owen and Jessie Jones, of 24, Rosstrevor St., Hamilton, Waikati.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 71.

Memorial: LONE PINE MEMORIAL

Found another Lewis brother on CWGC this morning.

Name: LEWIS, TOM ELDRIDGE

Initials: T E

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Unit Text: Nelson Coy.

Age: 40

Date of Death: 09/08/1915

Service No: 6/283

Additional information: Son of William and Sarah Elizabeth Lewis, of 9, Patanga Crescent, Tinakori Rd., Wellington, New Zealand. Native of London, England. Served in the South African Campaign.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 74.

Memorial: LONE PINE MEMORIAL

Name: LEWIS, WATKIN ELDRIDGE

Initials: W E

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: 08/08/1915

Service No: 10/2208

Additional information: Husband of Margaret Lewis, of 48, Clarence St., Hamilton.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 21.

Memorial: CHUNUK BAIR (NEW ZEALAND) MEMORIAL

Name: LEWIS, SAMUEL ELDRIDGE

Initials: S E

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Lieutenant

Regiment/Service: New Zealand Rifle Brigade

Unit Text: "G" Coy., 4th Bn. 3rd

Age: 35

Date of Death: 05/04/1918

Service No: 22906

Additional information: Son of Sarah Elizabeth and the late William Lewis; husband of Emma Lewis, of 118, Onepu Rd., Lyall Bay, Wellington.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Memorial: GREVILLERS (NEW ZEALAND) MEMORIAL

Name: LYNCH, OSCAR AVONMORE

Initials: O A

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Lance Corporal

Regiment/Service: New Zealand Army Service Corps

Date of Death: 05/07/1915

Service No: 5/77B

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: E. 176.

Cemetery: ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) MILITARY AND WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

Name: LYNCH, WILLIAM HENRY

Initials: W H

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Trooper

Regiment/Service: Wellington Mounted Rifles, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: 09/08/1915

Service No: 11/71

Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. O. P. Lynch, of Paekakariki, Wellington.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 5.

Memorial: CHUNUK BAIR (NEW ZEALAND) MEMORIAL

Name: McNEIL, SUTHERLAND SINCLAIR

Initials: S S

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Otago Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: 14/05/1915

Service No: 8/422

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: C. 150.

Cemetery: ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) MILITARY AND WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

Name: McNEIL, WILLIAM WAIHORA

Initials: W W

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Age: 20

Date of Death: 08/08/1915

Service No: 10/463

Additional information: Son of James and Annie McNeil, of 232, Ellis Rd., South Invercargill.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 21.

Memorial: CHUNUK BAIR (NEW ZEALAND) MEMORIAL

Name: PATTERSON, EDWARD

Initials: E

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Otago Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: 02/05/1915

Service No: 8/1104

Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. W. Patterson, of Lovell's Flat, Milton, Bruce, Dunedin.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 75.

Memorial: LONE PINE MEMORIAL

Name: PATTERSON, HUGH

Initials: H

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Otago Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Unit Text: 14th (South Otago) Coy.

Age: 24

Date of Death: 04/05/1915

Service No: 8/265

Additional information: Son of William and Margaret Patterson, of Elderlee St., Milton, Bruce, Dunedin.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 75.

Memorial: LONE PINE MEMORIAL

Name: SMYTH, ERNEST OSBORNE

Initials: E O

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Serjeant

Regiment/Service: Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: 28/08/1915

Service No: 10/798

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: F. 167.

Cemetery: ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) MILITARY AND WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

Name: SMYTH, SAMUEL BALDWIN

Initials: S B

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Serjeant

Regiment/Service: Otago Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: between 26/04/1915 and 30/04/1915

Service No: 8/110

Additional information: Son of Mr. and Mrs. William Smyth, of Arun St., Oamaru, Canterbury.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: 75.

Memorial: LONE PINE MEMORIAL

Name: STEWART, JOHN

Initials: J

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Trooper

Regiment/Service: Otago Mounted Rifles, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: 17/01/1916

Service No: 9/1359

Additional information: Son of Robert and Jane Stewart. Born in Scotland.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: A. 116.

Cemetery: ALEXANDRIA (CHATBY) MILITARY AND WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

Name: STEWART, WILLIAM DOWNIE

Initials: W D

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Private

Regiment/Service: Otago Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Date of Death: between 01/05/1915 and 23/05/1915

Service No: 8/154

Additional information: Son of Mr.and Mrs R Stewart, of Kauana, Invercargill.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: II.C.2.

Cemetery: WALKER'S RIDGE CEMETERY, ANZAC

Cheers, Diane

[Kookaburra]

Hi Bob,

I should have mentioned that I used Richard Stower's book Bloody Gallipoli to identify the brothers as he had their names and regimental numbers etc in the back of the book.

Cheers, Diane

[bobpike]

My thanks to you all again.

Geoff,

The Pughs were both new to me, thank you.

Clive,

So were the Charmans, thank you.

Diane,

You should not have given the game away, I was so impressed! In fact, I still am and also in your debt, thank you,

Bob

[Guest geoff501]

Bob, two more sets?

Horace CURTIS Lt. 9th West Yorks 07/08/1915 Gallipoli

Albert Howell CURTIS 10394 Pte. 8th Royal Fusiliers 04/08/1916

Harry Reginald CURTIS Maj. 1th Royal Welsh Fusiliers 18/09/1918

Sons of Henry Levi and Mary Matilda Curtis, Stamford, LIncs.

Christopher FAGAN 11233 Pte. 1st Dublin Fusiliers 08/05/1915 Gallipoli

Simon FAGAN 8197 Pte. 1st Connaught Rangers 23/11/1914

Sons of Mrs Alice Fagan, Dublin

[Kookaburra]

Diane,

You should not have given the game away, I was so impressed! In fact, I still am and also in your debt, thank you,

Bob

You're very welcome Bob,

When I saw the initial list of names, just as I posted to you I thought then that one would have difficulty finding them all. It was later that I discovered pages of all the men who served at Gallipoli at the back of the book along with those whose brothers died. I guess you noticed a lot of the brothers died the same day.

Cheers, Diane

[alliekiwi]

Yes, it's amazing how many died on the same day, isn't it? Just terrible. I wonder which was worse for families - losing sons one by one, or finding out multiple deaths at once?

I've got a book called 'Gallipoli: A Guide to New Zealand Battlefields and Memorials' by Ian McGibbon, written for the 90th commemorations last year. On the page about the New Zealand Memorial to the Missing on Chunuk Bair it says:

In all 850 men are commemorated on this memorial. There are at least eight sets of brothers. In six cases both brothers died on 8 August (Argyle, Corlett, McKinnon, Mellor, Murphy, Stokes); the others fell on consecutive days, 8-9 August (Douglas, Statham).

I know you've got all of those, but just thought I'd quote anyway.

Allie

[Kookaburra]

Yes, it's amazing how many died on the same day, isn't it? Just terrible. I wonder which was worse for families - losing sons one by one, or finding out multiple deaths at once?

Richard Stowers has the same men as in your Ian McGibbon book but he doesn't have the McKinnons as dying the same day, he wrote that 12/2417 Pte Kenneth McKinnon KIA 7.8.15 (recorded on 8.8.15) on Gallipoli His brother John 13/1042a was 8.8.15.

The Statham bros is interesting.

STATHAM, Frank Hadfield; 8/977a Maj. (4.5.15. Enlisted as Capt. 5.8.14), North Otago Coy, OIB; MB; KIA on Chunuk Bair, 9.8.15; Bean states he was killed on Chunuk Bair 9.8.15 alongside his brother: "About 5 a.m.., while the Turkish attack upon them was still at its height, three high-explosive howitzer shells, coming from the right rear, burst among them, one exploding in the front trench on the left, wrecking the trench, and killing Maj. Statham together with his brother beside him, as well as Sergeant-Major Porteous and six or seven men.

Do you have the Sustin bros as being killed the same day too?

Cheers, Diane

[bobpike]

Geoff,

My thanks again, but I did have these. Dreadful to feel disappointed (almost!) when they're not new ones, isn't it?

Diane & Allie,

Thank you too, I will get round to seeing how many same dayers there are, soon, but CWGC definitely have the Sustins and the McKinnons as same day deaths, horrifying though,

Bob

[Guest geoff501]

My thanks again, but I did have these. Dreadful to feel disappointed (almost!) when they're not new ones, isn't it?

Bob,

Not so disappointing, but good to see when new ones are added to your list. I can only cross check against those already in this thread.

A few more perhaps?

Frank TAYLOR 1517 Pte.6th Mancs. 05/06/1916 Gallipoli

Gilbert TAYLOR 4th Reserve Bn, Yorks & Lancs 13/07/1918

Sons of Job and Eliza Taylor, Chorlton-cum-Hardy.

Herbert JOHNSTON 16449 Pte. 6th East Yorks. 22/08/1915 Gallipoil

Alfred JOHNSTON R4/068498 Cpl. RASC 13/03/1919

Son of Joseph and Jane Johnston, Cumberland

And these below look like they might be 3 brothers, the first has an error in the surname on CWGC.

cheers,

Geoff

Name: COREETT, JOSEPH

Initials: J

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: Lancashire Fusiliers

Unit Text: 1st/8th Bn.

Age: 23

Date of Death: 06/06/1915

Service No: 9672

Additional Information: Son of the late William and Mary Corlett. One of three brothers who fell.

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 58 to 72 or 218 to 219.

Cemetery: HELLES MEMORIAL

Name: CORLETT, ARTHUR GEORGE

Initials: A G

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: Manchester Regiment

Unit Text: 12th Bn.

Age: 32

Date of Death: 17/09/1917

Service No: 44253

Additional Information: Son of Mary Corlett, of 27, Carrington St., Park Way, Liverpool, and the late William Corlett.

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: I. A. 26.

Cemetery: SUNKEN ROAD CEMETERY, FAMPOUX

Name: CORLETT, THOMAS

Initials: T

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Gunner

Regiment: Royal Garrison Artillery

Unit Text: 38th Siege Bty.

Age: 36

Date of Death: 21/07/1916

Service No: 49327

Additional Information: Son of the late William Robert and Mary Anne Corlett; husband of Jane Corlett, of II, Reading St., Stanley Rd., Liverpool.

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 8 A.

Cemetery: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

[bobpike]

Geoff,

Excellent, thank you, all are new to me. I'm sure you're correct about the Corletts, too,

Bob

[bobpike]

You may be interested to know that of the 190 sets of brothers who BOTH died ON Gallipoli, a staggering 74 sets died together on the same day! In addition there is one set of brothers who both died on the same day, one on Gallipoli, one in France and Flanders. Statistics that hide so much pain.

[Kookaburra]

You may be interested to know that of the 190 sets of brothers who BOTH died ON Gallipoli, a staggering 74 sets died together on the same day! In addition there is one set of brothers who both died on the same day, one on Gallipoli, one in France and Flanders. Statistics that hide so much pain.

Thanks for the update Bob. I'm really saddened to read those statistics.

Diane

[alliekiwi]

Diane, I have the McKinnon brothers listed as dying on the same day in two books, but no mention of the Sustin brothers. Will have a look at a couple of others I have.

Allie

[Guest geoff501]

Bob, a few more to check on your list.

Thomas BARBER 10068 Pte. 6th Lincs. 09/08/1915 Gallipoli

Charles BARBER 1365 Pte. 4th Lincs. 23/08/1915

Sons of Frederick William and Betsy Barber, of Boston.

George BARLOW 1513 Cpl. 6th Mancs. 04/06/1915 Gallipoli

John Edward BARLOW 8055 Cpl. 20th R. Fus. 19/04/1915

Third brother also?

Sons of Walter and Elizabeth Ann Barlow, of Manchester.

Harry Jackson CUMMINS Lt. 1st. Bn. 5th Gurkha Rifles 21/08/1915 Gallipoli

Fenton King CUMMINS Lt. 6th Connaught Rangers 21/03/1918

Sons of W. Ashley Cummins and Jane Constable Cummins, Co Cork

[bobpike]

Geoff,

Marvellous, thank you, all new to me. As you say CWGC says there is a third Barlow brother - Andrew, but S'Died lists no Andrew Barlows?

Bob

[Guest geoff501]

As you say CWGC says there is a third Barlow brother - Andrew, but S'Died lists no Andrew Barlows?

Bob,

Is it Arthur, not Andrew? There are a couple of A. Barlow from 1918 listed by CWGC, who may have been missed from SDGW. Both are in northern regiments, so it is possible one is the third brother. One died 11/11/1918, I seem to be finding this date a lot recently. I've not yet checked on SDGW.

[bobpike]

Geoff,

I think it says Andrew on one of the CWGS entries, naming the other two brothers, but my eyes might be going!

Bob

[bobpike]

Geoff,

The eyes are going!

Bob

BARLOW, GEORGE

Initials: G

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Corporal

Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment

Unit Text: 1st/6th Bn.

Age: 27

Date of Death: 04/06/1915

Service No: 1513

Additional information: Son of Walter and Elizabeth Ann Barlow. His brothers Arthur and John also fell.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 158 to 170.

Memorial: HELLES MEMORIAL

[Guest geoff501]

Bob,

Do you have the FISHER brothers?

Name: FISHER, JOHN

Initials: J

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment

Unit Text: 6th Bn.

Age: 28

Date of Death: 10/08/1915

Service No: 12528

Additional Information: Son of John and Mary Fisher, of 280, Deane Church Lane, Bolton. His brothers Albert and Matthew also fell.

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 152 to 154.

Cemetery: HELLES MEMORIAL

I suspect this may be one brother, SDGW gives their birth and enlist as Bolton for both. Service numbers are close, but check the dates:

Name: FISHER, MATTHEW

Initials: M

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment

Unit Text: 6th Bn.

Date of Death: 10/08/1915

Service No: 12517

Casuality Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 152 to 154.

Cemetery: HELLES MEMORIAL

Among the Albert Fishers, there is a Pte 17425 born and enlisted at Bolton, also the 6th LNLR - killed in action at Gallipoli on 09/08/1915, again note the date. No NOK details in CWGC.

If my suspicions are right, this is so much pain and tragedy for their parents. Needs a northern newspaper archive rat to confirm this. Perhaps they can also check the Barlow fellow for you. Was the LNLR a Pal's battalion?