Waggoner Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 I almost thought that I had found two new ASC prefixes. The first was "GS". A search of the on-line MIC index turned up 1,608 examples. While there may be some false positives, there still are a lot of them. I am puzzled that this hasn't turned up a an ASC prefix before. The second was "RE". My search turned up four of them. Terry checked them for me against the actual MICs and found they were transcription errors. They were really M2, R4, R4 and ES. All the letters/numbers are in about the same place on the keyboard, so the errors are understandable. So, number 55 in my list of prefixes! All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 The first was "GS". A search of the on-line MIC index turned up 1,608 examples. While there may be some false positives, there still are a lot of them. I am puzzled that this hasn't turned up a an ASC prefix before.Gary I've had a quick search on NA and Ancestry and it would appear that what the National Archives have transcribed as an Army Service Corps GS/ prefix is actually an Army Service Corps SS/ prefix..... Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 11 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2016 Steve, Interesting. I just purchased a 1914/15 star to the ASC that has a GS prefix. This checks out with the actual MIC. So, GS on the medal and on the MIC. My friend, Terry, is now looking for his service records on Ancestry. If he find it, I owe him a trip to Tim's :-) All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 GaryCan you give the name and number? Looking at the MICs themselves I can see why the NA transcribers thought it was GS/ (see attached) but when checked against the actual medal rolls they are all coming up as SS/.RegardsSteve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 11 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2016 Steve Certainly! He is GS/23298 Pte. R. Browne, ASC. His full entitlement is a 1914/5 star trio as he entered France on 14 December 1915. He later served with the Essex Regiment and the Labour Corps. I look forward to learning what you find. All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 Was GS/ **** used as general service and common across various regiments? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 11 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2016 John, GS is a known prefix. However, none of my references have linked it to the ASC before. If it was common, I would have thought this would have been general knowledge. It has been somewhat puzzled. All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 I've not seen a GS prefix outside of the infantry. The ASC liked to (re)prefix anything with a pulse (and probably without) so I'm surprised they hadn't changed his GS prefix. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Evans Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 The odd thing is that 60037 Essex Reg. was formerly SS/3957 ASC and 60039 was formerly SS/6907. 23298, I would have thought was a very high number for an SS enlistment. I had thought that possibly they had transposed the numbers and regiments, but again, 60035 seems high. Like Craig, I have never come across GS (General Service) outside of the infantry. Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 There seem to be a number, but not sure if this means anything? Click ASC on General Service Click Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 11 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2016 Mike, Sorry but I don't have access to Ancestry. What did you find? All the brst, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 As said, not sure if it means much View Record John Alexander abt 1865 1027 ASC or General Service View Record James Andrew Anderson abt 1892 Spont House Farm, Marple 309061 ASC HF Devon General Service View Record John Bailey abt 1885 77 Waterloo St, MacClesfield Cheshire 093170 ASC Horse Transport General Service View Record Sam Ward Bailey abt 1886 64 Black Lane, MacClesfield 02692 ASC Clerk General Service View Record Albert William Brokenbrow abt 1882 42 Hamilton St, Cardiff 399568 General Service ASC ?? View Record George Brown abt 1890 028006 Horse Transport ASC General Service View Record Theo Brown abt 1891 016485 ASC Driver General Service View Record Albert Edward Cleves abt 1888 54 Moor Card Rd, Cardiff 92627 RGA General Service ASC View Record William Henry Frederick Corkhill abt 1890 High Street, Neston 10266 ASC Shoring??mi?? General Service View Record Allen Cragg abt 1896 Adlington Smithy, Adlington 10025 ASC Shorn S?? General Service View Record William Dickson 47529 ASC General Service View Record Alexander Imrie abt 1885 Rive House, Kirn 158809 Religion Presbyterian General Service Preper ASC View Record Laurence John Kendall abt 1888 10 Wentworth Road, York T308386 ASC HT General Service View Record James Alexander Lees abt 1881 219 General Service ASC View Record Harold Leigh abt 1899 56 Hyde Rd Woodley, Stockport 329230 ASC HT Reserve General Service View Record Joseph William Vowles abt 1886 13 Cranborne Avenue, off Park Road Bhead 218433 ASC Battery Army Service Or General Service View Record John Aaron abt 1883 165 Richmond Road, Cardiff 172107 General Service View Record David Aaron 322409 General Service View Record William Henry Aaron NSA158 General Service View Record George Abbey abt 1897 5 Forster St Lady Lane Bradford 19968 General Service Cavalry View Record John Richard Abbott abt 1874 65762 General Service View Record Sydney Warne Abbott abt 1881 Clifton Canterbury Rd, Sittingbourne Kent 4642 General Service View Record George Abbott abt 1892 17981 General Service Royal View Record Robert Abbott abt 1894 6 New Road Usworth, CO Durham 131125 General Service View Record Frederick Abbott abt 1895 58 Scarsdale St, Carr Vale, Nr Chesterfield Derby 117392 General Service View Record Henry Abbott abt 1896 42 Beechfield Road, Ellesmere Park, Cheshire 27513 General Service View Record William Abraham abt 1890 Dene Farm Cottage, Ropley Hants 77054 Congregationalist General Service RE Driver View Record Harry Abrahams abt 1894 13 Fairfax Rd, Seacombe Cheshire 29535 General Service Infantry View Record Frederick Abrams abt 1894 93 Cranworth St, C On-M Manchester 27317 General Service View Record Samuel Abrams abt 1897 8 Eldon Road Rock Terry, Cheshire 4567 General Service View Record Harry Ackrill abt 1890 30 Handley Road, New Whittington Charlesfield, Derbyshire 84645 General Service View Record James Ackroyd abt 1897 15997 General Service View Record George Hudson Acton abt 1880 22 Cromer Street, Burton Lane York 2063 General Service View Record Frank Acton abt 1893 210 Winwick Rd, Warrington 26940 General Service View Record Charles Edward Acton abt 1897 1 Suffolk St, Runcorn 198271 General Service View Record James Acton 14588 General Service View Record Samuel Acton 575 General Service View Record Hugh Adair abt 1886 7 Richardland Road, Kilmarnock 305947 General Service View Record John Adair Main Street, Glenluce R111051 General Service View Record Thomas Adam abt 1899 5 Union Street, Kilmarnock 891 General Service View Record Edward Adams abt 1869 50718 General Service View Record John William Adams abt 1874 87 Twyford Avenue, Shamshaw Portsmouth 15728 General Service View Record William James Adams abt 1885 No 1 Unity Place, Hampshire Street Carr M23988 General Service Infantry View Record Frederick Adams abt 1888 2496 The Buff General Service View Record Alfred Lowman Adams abt 1890 12408 General Service View Record James Adams abt 1892 74742 General Service View Record Harry Adams abt 1893 10 Beach St, Gosport Hants 149846 General Service Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 11 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 11 February , 2016 Mike, Thank you. Are ASC GS prefixes associated with any of the names? All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 11 February , 2016 Share Posted 11 February , 2016 Mike, Thank you. Are ASC GS prefixes associated with any of the names? All the best, Gary Erm, Probably not. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 12 February , 2016 Share Posted 12 February , 2016 He is GS/23298 Pte. R. Browne, ASC. His full entitlement is a 1914/5 star trio as he entered France on 14 December 1915. He later served with the Essex Regiment and the Labour Corps. I look forward to learning what you find.Gary I've done a quick search of ASC numbers, approximately 100 either side of 23298 Browne so from 23200 to 23400, and the majority of those I've found on the NA MICs are SS/ prefixed. I've been slowly matching these to the actual medal rolls and I'm finding that these are still all SS/ prefixed. However, in this same selection there are three GS/ prefixed numbers, 23218 (William Putman), 23298 (Browne) and 23308 (Frederick Ellis). All of these were transferred out of the ASC to other units and it's my opinion that they acquired the GS/ prefix as part of this transfer, the clerk misreading SS/ for GS/. Ellis is the best example I can find of this 'confusion' as his NA MIC shows GS/ prefix, the actual MIC image is SS/ (but I can see where GS/ could be assumed) and his 1914/15 Star entry shows the 'proper' SS/ prefix. Browne and Putman however do show GS/ on all medal cards and rolls. None of these three appear to have service records that survive. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 12 February , 2016 Share Posted 12 February , 2016 Is this not Putnam Click Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 12 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2016 Mike, What do you have? I don't have accss to Ancestry. All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 12 February , 2016 Share Posted 12 February , 2016 Putnam Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Waggoner Posted 12 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2016 Mike, Thank you! It does look like "SS". Interesting that he transferred to the IWT dvision of the RE. All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 12 February , 2016 Share Posted 12 February , 2016 How about this one, not sure if correct Frederick Ellis but....... Click Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 12 February , 2016 Share Posted 12 February , 2016 Ellis is an M2 prefix.It looks the GS is just because of the initial GS enlistment and someone's made an assumption at some point. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 12 February , 2016 Share Posted 12 February , 2016 Mike Good spot on Putnam, damned if I could find it but at least that's another that shows the SS/ prefix and not GS/. The Ellis found is a different man but his other records show the SS/ prefix so that's two out of the three, just leaves 23298 Browne as the 'odd one'. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 12 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2016 Mike and Steve, Good sleuthing! Browne's 1914/15 Star with a clearly stamped "GS" prefix is winging its way across to Atlantic to me. While it checks out against the MIC, I haven't gone back to the medal roll yet. All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waggoner Posted 13 February , 2016 Author Share Posted 13 February , 2016 I should have posted this image earlier. I see that the resolution isn't as good as I thought it would be but it really does say "GS"! All the best, Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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