Krag Posted 22 January , 2016 Share Posted 22 January , 2016 Has anyone ever seen photos of WWI British/Imperial troops armed with P14 rifles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Brayley Posted 22 January , 2016 Share Posted 22 January , 2016 This chap. No clue as to the origin of the picture or the location/date. This is not my image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 22 January , 2016 Share Posted 22 January , 2016 I have a couple of pictures. The real trick would be to find a picture that is known to be in France. The standard thinking is the the vast majority of P'14s went directly into storage. Some were used for training and a very very small number, probably mostly P'14 (F) rifles with the fine/marksman sight or P14 (T) rifles with telescopic sights may have made it to France. I have looked for a long time for pictures of P14s known to be in France. Chris Edit: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T8HANTS Posted 22 January , 2016 Share Posted 22 January , 2016 Our local Volunteer reserve had P14's and 14 pattern leather equipment, according to their disbandment photograph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepoy Posted 22 January , 2016 Share Posted 22 January , 2016 Members of the Royal Fusiliers with a racked P'14 Rifle in the background.Sepoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 22 January , 2016 Share Posted 22 January , 2016 Members of the Royal Fusiliers with a racked P'14 Rifle in the background. Sepoy Interesting...what do you think of the badges on the two chaps in my pic wearing caps? Also Fusiliers? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepoy Posted 23 January , 2016 Share Posted 23 January , 2016 Interesting...what do you think of the badges on the two chaps in my pic wearing caps? Also Fusiliers? Chris I agree that those two chaps are "badged" to the Royal Fusiliers. Sepoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17107BM Posted 23 January , 2016 Share Posted 23 January , 2016 Hello all. Hope this maybe of interest. I have not at this point researched these markings. At first glance the stock disc has.. 313 at the top. E.L middle right. And 9474 at the bottom. Could this rifle have been issued to East Lanc's Chap's ? Cheers all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 24 January , 2016 Share Posted 24 January , 2016 ... At first glance the stock disc has.. 313 at the top. ... I don't have any 'Instructions for Armourers' any later than 1904 edition, but according to that the top marking is the date of issue, so March 1913, and the bottom number is the 'consecutive number' of the rifle. 'E.L' would be correct for the East Lancashire Regiment. Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 24 January , 2016 Share Posted 24 January , 2016 A 1913 date on a Pattern 1914 rifle most of which were not delivered until 1916 and on will raise some eyebrows I think. The screw in the middle of disc does not look like the original to me (too domed) and the wood on the rifle looks either to be in exceptional condition or to have been refinished. As marker discs both blank and unit marked are available all over the place and can be swapped or added in 30 seconds I would always hesitate to rely on them as an unimpeachable reference as to where a particular weapon has served absent other supporting evidence (which is uncommon) What are the other stampings on the side of the butt? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 24 January , 2016 Share Posted 24 January , 2016 For obvious reasons I didn't want to comment on the potential problems of relationship between date on the disc and the rifle butt - I have no idea as to what model the butt belonged to! But did wonder what it was being posted on a P.1914 thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 24 January , 2016 Share Posted 24 January , 2016 For obvious reasons I didn't want to comment on the potential problems of relationship between date on the disc and the rifle butt - I have no idea as to what model the butt belonged to! But did wonder what it was being posted on a P.1914 thread... I wonder if this is actually a P14 butt.. It's hard to tell from the angle - it almost looks to me like an MLE butt ....I had assumed because it was posted here it was. we'll have to wait for further insight from 17107BM! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17107BM Posted 24 January , 2016 Share Posted 24 January , 2016 Hello all. After further investigation with the previous owner, the disc is in fact from a rifle used by a relative in the Great War, and kept as a memento. Never thought to ask about the disc's relevance at the time. So, the disc is not part of the Rifle history. And. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 24 January , 2016 Share Posted 24 January , 2016 Nice looking Winchester. If I am reading the serial number correctly (27100) I think that rifle was probably accepted by British inspectors week ending 12th August 1916. Is it a MkI or MkI*? Does it still have the volley sight? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new3.2 Posted 25 January , 2016 Share Posted 25 January , 2016 Chris- Would it be appropriate to seek acceptance date for my ERA 16942 '14, which I assume was made at Eddystone. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 25 January , 2016 Share Posted 25 January , 2016 Hi Ken I think your rifle was accepted the week ending July 15 1916, so around a month earlier than the above rifle but from the Eddystone plant. Just out of interest does your rifle have the grooved stock or the "fatboy" Eddystone stock? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new3.2 Posted 25 January , 2016 Share Posted 25 January , 2016 Chris- Its a "fatboy", has volley sight. Butt is stamped near the disc: Broad Arrow, below IE in a circle, PATT.'14, EY. Close to butt plate is G.G. I assume these are standard stampings. Thanks for the date. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krag Posted 25 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 25 January , 2016 Super cool. Thanks so much guys! I would like to use these in an article I'm preparing. If you'd like me to credit them to you please contact me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krag Posted 27 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 27 January , 2016 This chap. No clue as to the origin of the picture or the location/date. This is not my image. Toby: I'd like to use this photo in an article I'm writing. Could I get your permission? Please email me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Brayley Posted 28 January , 2016 Share Posted 28 January , 2016 PM`d Krag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krag Posted 28 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 28 January , 2016 PM`d Krag. Looking forward to see it. Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James A Pratt III Posted 28 January , 2016 Share Posted 28 January , 2016 In the book "Rape of Ethiopia" there is a picture of African troops in Ethiopia in 1941 with either P17 or P14 rifles. I believe 100,000 P14s were sent to India in WW I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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