stiletto_33853 Posted 14 January , 2016 Share Posted 14 January , 2016 Wonder if the In From the Cold guys could give me some advice on this one. discharged 15/8/17 with total incapacity trench nephritis, died on 17/9/17. Papers state total incapacity as a result of active service. Have a feeling I am going to need his death certificate. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 14 January , 2016 Share Posted 14 January , 2016 Andy Yep, you're going to need the certificate to prove that death was linked the cause of discharge, rather than being hit by a runaway train. Asssuming it all looks OK, IFCP will be happy to act on your behalf in the submission to CWGC and will refund you the cost of getting the certificate (no refund if he was actually hit by runaway train, I'm afraid). John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 14 January , 2016 Author Share Posted 14 January , 2016 Hi John, Lets hope the trains were on go slow that day, not unknown. I will order his death certificate and let you know, thanks Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-p tovey Posted 15 February , 2020 Share Posted 15 February , 2020 John Tovey “died” on that date however you won’t find a cert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 15 February , 2020 Share Posted 15 February , 2020 however you won’t find a cert Can you explain and save peoples time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-p tovey Posted 15 February , 2020 Share Posted 15 February , 2020 Certainly You won’t find anything conclusive in searches he’s known under many names jon Tovey johnny Tovey William Tovey Thomas Tovey Tom Tovey Jon Tovey jon England tom England tom Harvey jon Harvey ( I’m sure there are more - none of these people have a born date, none have “family” none have end dates ( except through injury ) only one has a death cert & grave stone ) his injuries upon death were bullet in back ( too close to spine ) bullet in back ( too close to spine ) bullet in back ( too close to spine ) bullet in Leg ( unremoved ) bullet in Leg ( unremoved ) bullet in Leg ( unremoved ) bullet in arm ( unremoved ) bullet in arm ( unremoved ) bullet in foot ( unremoved ) wound to chest wound to back wound to neck standing 6’7”, weighing 18 stone at death you can only imagine what he was like in his 20’s & 40’s during the wars - he worked up until 1981 for her majesty being 83 years old however I can’t get any details on him until 2031 he was born in 1898 In Swindon other names were inserted before & after the first names - his roles varied across all HM services - you won’t ever make sense out of it he was dispatched under many different vices - we have medals for sea, air & land we know of 7 Medals that were given to people of whom protected or helped - one being a French soldier who Carried him out of German Territory Called Jean-Paul ( I’m named after him ) however the family name is TOVEY ( pretty famous war family ) - he’s mentioned in his relatives diary - lord admiral Tovey on numerous occasions They were half brothers ( through an affair ) & later fell apart when the one slept with the others wife who fell pregnant He served in both WW1 & WW2 We found a number of ID’s upon his death in his allotment - he was shot in the leg & chest in WW1 & shot in the back in WW2 retrieving documents that helped towards the D day landing operation, he was a promiscuous man with good looks, charm & power - he was a dad & grandad to many people he’s buried in Northampton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 15 February , 2020 Share Posted 15 February , 2020 Thanks.A real mishmash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulC78 Posted 15 February , 2020 Share Posted 15 February , 2020 (edited) I'm somewhat confused by the above comments... Rfm J Tovey S/4926 (the subject of this topic) is buried at Brookwood Military Cemetery and it appears he was listed on CWGC all along. Presumably it is his death that was registered at Pancras in the third quarter of 1917. https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/398839/tovey,-/ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/17666830/j-tovey/photo J-p tovey, you posted the exact same comment over in the Pte FT Tovey topic but it seems fairly evident that these are two different men? Edited 15 February , 2020 by PaulC78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 15 February , 2020 Share Posted 15 February , 2020 It is clear that S/4926 Tovey (based on his Pension cards on Fold3) is certainly one and the same man that Andy found, there's no doubt with that nor is there any doubt that evidence of the man dying was provided to the Ministry of Pensions and the War Office. It would seem that a grave cannot be found, hence Paul's links to Brookwood. All the evidence shows this man died in 1917 so he I'd also agree that he can't therefore be one and the same man as your relative. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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