Matt Dixon Posted 20 November , 2004 Share Posted 20 November , 2004 Where they a well known family? It is such an unusual name, yet I have found quite a few of them. I am specifically interested in Major Derrick le Poer Trench DSO MC. Does anyone know anything about the family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 20 November , 2004 Share Posted 20 November , 2004 Where they a well known family? It is such an unusual name, yet I have found quite a few of them. I am specifically interested in Major Derrick le Poer Trench DSO MC. Does anyone know anything about the family? Wasn't the Earl of Clancarty a Le Poer Trench? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 November , 2004 Share Posted 20 November , 2004 from; http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/page...trench::31.html It is kinda the same family. They originate from Frederick de la Tranche. Their is about five main lines of the family which includes The Earls of Clancarty, Lords of Ashtowne and others. My family is a Jamaican Branch of the Earls of Clancarty (Clancarty Trench's) While the Lords of Ashtown (Ashtown branch) are the original builders of Woodlawn. My Cousin Derrick Lepoer Trench bought it from the Lords of Ashtowne. I know that their are pictures of Woodlawn taken in 1895, and of course I can provide information to you on The Lords of Ashtown and my cousin Derrick lepoer Trench. It would be difficult to do it on a computer. You would have to make a list of what you would like to know and I will feel in all the details. If your looking for general information on The Ashtowne branch of the Trench family you can find it in Burkes Peerage and Baronetage. The Earldom of Clancarty is also in Burkes under Clancarty. If you are looking for the architect that originally built Woodlawn than I can find that out to I believe. I have some early books which I believe contains that information. also from; http://www.classicalmidi.gothere.uk.com/ufo/ghost5.htm There is an amazing palladian mansion called 'Woodlawn House' in Co Galway. It is one of the most terrifying places I have ever been. It has a 3 dimensional quality that is very oppressive and one feels quite trapped and alone when on the estate, which covers many acres. The previous owner, Derek Le Poer Trench shot himself in the head on the estate when he sold it in 1978. I wonder was it the spirits that drove him to it or, is it his tortured soul that wanders the ruins today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolphin Posted 20 November , 2004 Share Posted 20 November , 2004 Some forty years ago I had the privilege of meeting an elderly gentleman named le Poer Trench who had been a SPAD VII pilot in No 23 Sqn RFC; he was very proud of his RFC service, and I remember his RFC tie. I think that he may have been Charles Frederick le Poer Trench, who died in Sydney in 1974. From memory, he told me that he had previously served as a subaltern in the Sherwood Foresters. I just tried to confirm this in the on-line records of the London Gazette, but the Gazette site doesn't seem to be feeling well at the moment - it won't recall pages. I do remember that Mr le Poer Trench said that he had been posted back to the UK after a period of flying on the Western Front, and that he was to return to France as a flight commander in a Sopwith Salamander squadron in 1919, but it didn't happen due to the Armistice. He remained in the RAF after the War, and served in Canada during the 1939-1945 War. He gave me a copy of the 1937 RAF Pocket Book, that I still have. Another memory is his telling me that SPAD pilots could always be distinguished by their singed gauntlets. The exhausts of both the S. VII and S.XIII extended past the cockpit, and pilots used to warm their hands by grabbing the warm exhausts. This is slightly away from the thrust of the original thread, but I thought that it might be of some interest. I'd be very grateful to confirm the identity of the man I met all those years ago. Gareth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 20 November , 2004 Share Posted 20 November , 2004 Don't wish to hijack the thread, but I have a similar intrigue with the family or families Chevenix-Trench. They appear all over the place too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 20 November , 2004 Share Posted 20 November , 2004 For Chris Baker. I tried to contact you but your inbox is full,anyway would you be interested in a ( free) text version of Soldiers of the great War, the USA version of sdgw, it also has a lot of data on the navy. If it were printed out it would be 2100 pages but pure text. You could have a page just for it. The original of this had pictures but my database just has text, names, ranks, (on this page)box on the top of the screen. I can send it to you on CD or as an attachment in an email. regards. Tom Burell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Underwood Posted 21 November , 2004 Share Posted 21 November , 2004 Where they a well known family? It is such an unusual name, yet I have found quite a few of them. There is a Australian connection to this family as well. Just after Christmas last year the medal pair belonging to Charles Le Poer Trench of the East Surrey's went up on ebay from an Australian seller. The seller didn't realise they were a casualty pair, but quite a few others did and bidding was quite fierce, (and beyond my means). I was taken by the fact that the medals had the tattiest and most poorly repaired ribbons I'd ever seen and looked like the medals themselves had been dragged through several ponds. You could just imagine the Grandchilden tearing around the garden with them pinned to their chest. I did a bit of google research on the family at the time, and it turned out that Charles' father (also Charles) was born c1854 in India as his family was making their way to Australia, where they settled in Brunswick, Victoria. The family originated from Douglas on the Island of Man. Charles Le Poer Trench (Snr)married Eugenie Elizabeth Millin in 1887. So their son, Charles of the East Surrey's was an Australian... There was also 2 Le Poer Trench's in the AIF as well LE POER TRENCH, NUGENT CHARLES Initials: N C Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment: East Surrey Regiment Unit Text: 9th Bn. Age: 30 Date of Death: 16/01/1917 Additional information: Son of Charles Henry and Eugenie Le Poer Trench. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: I. L. 14. Cemetery: PHILOSOPHE BRITISH CEMETERY, MAZINGARBE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 24 April , 2010 Share Posted 24 April , 2010 I just came across this thread, as I have had an email from the new Lord Ashtown, his father has recently died It is funny how we have all become middle class now. I know Roderick (Lord Trench) through a common interest in Woodlawn - his family being the owners, and mine the gatekeepers there My great-great-grandfather, Stephen Grant was the gatekeeper and the family carried on after Stephen died I have a web page on Woodlawn here http://www.grantonline.com/grant-family-in...wn/woodlawn.htm And on the Trench family here http://www.grantonline.com/grant-family-in...ench_family.htm If anyone can add anything please let me know Tom, by the way do you know Roderick Trench, he is over at Woodlawn next month for a service commemorating his father? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 24 April , 2010 Share Posted 24 April , 2010 I was quoting from genforum. The only Trenches I would have are; TRENCH, FREDERICK CHARLES. Rank: Private. Regiment or Service: London Regiment (London Scottish). Unit: 1st/14th Bn. Age at death: 38 Date of Death: 01-July-1916. Service No: 5746. Enlisted in London while living in Tipperary. Killed in Action. Supplementary information: (served as BLOOMFIELD). Son of Henry Bloomfield Trench, of Huntington, Portarlington, King's Co.; husband of Catherine Anne Swetenham MacManaway (former]y Trench), M.B.E., of Greystone Hall, Limavady, Co. Londonderry, Ireland.Grave or Memorial Reference: He has no known grave but is listed on Pier and Face 9C and 13Con the Thiepval Memorial in France. At the Burial of Lord Rosse of Birr; The officers of the Leinster Depot present were—Colonel Duggan, Major Finch, Captain Trench, Captain Lister, Captain Howes. Officers in charge of other troops were—Captain Munroe, Captain Morrisson, Lieutenant Fayle. Mr Knox, D. I. was in charge of the police. Regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob elliott Posted 27 April , 2010 Share Posted 27 April , 2010 Ted, last year BMac requested info on Frederick Charles and i posted a reply. Basically he was an Officer in the 10th Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers [Derry Volunteers], and when the battalion went overseas he stayed behind and got himself into trouble. He was effectively Court Martialled but did a runner before he was sentenced and crossed to England, where it appears he enlisted as a private, possibly to redeam himself. Around the Limavady area where the family came from this was kept very quiet and it is only recently that it has become known. I believe someone was to do an article about him but as yet haven't seen anything. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Gordon Le Poer Willis Posted 7 July , 2020 Share Posted 7 July , 2020 My grand father was Charles Frederick Le Poer Trench and I have a great deal of history about this family if anyone is interested. Please feel free to contact - Anthony Willis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSurrey Posted 8 July , 2020 Share Posted 8 July , 2020 On 21/11/2004 at 08:52, Ian Underwood said: There is a Australian connection to this family as well. Just after Christmas last year the medal pair belonging to Charles Le Poer Trench of the East Surrey's went up on ebay from an Australian seller. The seller didn't realise they were a casualty pair, but quite a few others did and bidding was quite fierce, (and beyond my means). I was taken by the fact that the medals had the tattiest and most poorly repaired ribbons I'd ever seen and looked like the medals themselves had been dragged through several ponds. You could just imagine the Grandchilden tearing around the garden with them pinned to their chest. I did a bit of google research on the family at the time, and it turned out that Charles' father (also Charles) was born c1854 in India as his family was making their way to Australia, where they settled in Brunswick, Victoria. The family originated from Douglas on the Island of Man. Charles Le Poer Trench (Snr)married Eugenie Elizabeth Millin in 1887. So their son, Charles of the East Surrey's was an Australian... There was also 2 Le Poer Trench's in the AIF as well LE POER TRENCH, NUGENT CHARLES Initials: N C Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Second Lieutenant Regiment: East Surrey Regiment Unit Text: 9th Bn. Age: 30 Date of Death: 16/01/1917 Additional information: Son of Charles Henry and Eugenie Le Poer Trench. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: I. L. 14. Cemetery: PHILOSOPHE BRITISH CEMETERY, MAZINGARBE He enlisted with the Canadians, was commissioned in the British Army 1915, joined 9/E. Surrey 27.11.1916 and was killed 16.1.1917. He has a WO339 file at TNA and an entry in de Ruvigny. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modder Posted 1 March , 2021 Share Posted 1 March , 2021 To Anthony Willis, Hi there, I am researching the Le Poer Trench family as my Grandmother worked for the family at Eddymead in Weston Super Mare for a number of years, which I believe lead to a friendly relationship with the family as she was invited to the wedding of their daughter Dorothy, which I have a picture of, I also have a picture of Catherine (Lady Le Poer Trench) holding my baby father, in 1916. I would like to take up your kind offer as any help with info/pictures about this family would be very welcome, yours, Chris Bowkett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bif Posted 1 March , 2021 Share Posted 1 March , 2021 1 hour ago, Modder said: Chris Bowkett. On 07/07/2020 at 06:45, Anthony Gordon Le Poer Willis said: Anthony Willis Please forgive my ignorance but I am totally at a loss regards the familial connections between various aristocratic English families. Are the Le Poer Tranche in any way related to the de la Poer Beresford family ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 1 March , 2021 Admin Share Posted 1 March , 2021 Modder, Anthony hasn't visited since he made that one post last July. You could try sending him a PM. Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modder Posted 1 March , 2021 Share Posted 1 March , 2021 Hi Guys, Many thanks for all your help in this matter, this branch of the family died out when Frederick Le Poer Trench died in 1916 in the great war. His father Frederick Le Poer Trench was the second son of the 3rd Earl of Clancarty. His sister Dorothy Le Poer Trench married Hugh Lloyd Williams in 1918, and sadly had no issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 1 March , 2021 Share Posted 1 March , 2021 7 hours ago, bif said: Please forgive my ignorance but I am totally at a loss regards the familial connections between various aristocratic English families. Are the Le Poer Tranche in any way related to the de la Poer Beresford family ? I'm not sure, but the family name Le Poer is Norman and normally stands alone. It is anglicised as Power and Powers, and presumably the double names are from intermarriage in times past. My own name is Power and its original form for my family is dePaor hence my user name on this forum. LePoer, La Poer and dePaor all mean 'of the poor' generally understood as as a vow of poverty. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bif Posted 1 March , 2021 Share Posted 1 March , 2021 1 hour ago, depaor01 said: 1 hour ago, depaor01 said: La Poer Dave, I always seem to get an education each time I ask a question ! No wonder we all keep coming back to GWF. Thank you for your very kind and detailed answer. So while it is possible there once was some very distant connection it is probable that none actually exists; ie my answer is " no ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depaor01 Posted 2 March , 2021 Share Posted 2 March , 2021 7 hours ago, bif said: Dave, I always seem to get an education each time I ask a question ! No wonder we all keep coming back to GWF. Thank you for your very kind and detailed answer. So while it is possible there once was some very distant connection it is probable that none actually exists; ie my answer is " no ". That would be correct. Perhaps a single pillaging Norman common ancestor at one stage. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bif Posted 2 March , 2021 Share Posted 2 March , 2021 16 hours ago, depaor01 said: pillaging Norman Dave, Somehow they image of a pillaging Norman seems incongruous to me ? Must be too many "Robin Hood" type movies in my childhood perhaps ? 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Gordon Le Poer Willis Posted 26 July , 2023 Share Posted 26 July , 2023 I understood that Le Trench ancestors came across from France with William The Conquerer (possibly from La Tranche on the coast of France?) and subsequently married into the Power family in Ireland, which was somehow altered to become Le Power Trench then Le Poer Trench. Probably through a spelling mistake as happened on my marriage certificate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peak Posted 7 November , 2023 Share Posted 7 November , 2023 On 07/07/2020 at 12:45, Anthony Gordon Le Poer Willis said: My grand father was Charles Frederick Le Poer Trench and I have a great deal of history about this family if anyone is interested. Please feel free to contact - Anthony Willis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 15 August Share Posted 15 August Might be of interest to someone, currently listed for sale on Facebook Marketplace - memorial plaque to Frederick Power Le Poer Trench: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/516003414256510?ref=search&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A9d6f5958-1a20-4296-8f71-0416fc1d0bd2 https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/266449/frederick-power-le-poer-trench/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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