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Pre-War Cloth Shoulder Titles, Rank and Insignia photos.

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Muerrisch

Incidentally his large scout badge was officially superceded by the small version in 1907, but I can see why anyone would prefer the big one.

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FROGSMILE

It's not the size that counts, it's how it's used 🤣

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Toby Brayley

Royal Sussex TF. Another nice shot of the Special Services Section arm badge, again being worn in the "wrong" location. 

Royal Sussex NCOs.jpg

Royal Sussex NCOs 2.jpg

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FROGSMILE

Note how just as with the regulars the CO was authorised to recruit a set number of 'boys' as buglers, but unlike the regulars boys could not be taken on and trained as tailors, or shoemakers.  Great picture of the Special Duties badge in use too.

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Muerrisch

I have revisited the subject of where the Special Service Section sSs badge was to be worn.

I see that Denis Edwards and I concluded that, as we believed it was a badge of appointment, it was to be worn on the upper right sleeve.

 

Searching all my references today I can find no reference or authority at all for our assertion. In common with very few other badges it seems to be neither fish nor fowl regarding "category", so where to wear it was perhaps a moot point. [Another example is the distance-judging star for regulars, which was plonked on the right sleeve as there was nowhere logical to put it].

 

The Section was referred to in VF Regs 1901 and subsequently. I do not hold that year's but have put out feelers.

 

Meantime [not a lot of people know this!] it has also been seen in white metal, and a lovely badge that is too.

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Muerrisch

Due to the great kindness of Graham Stewart I can reveal with the utmost certainty that Para 648  VFR 1901,  "Reprinted for provisional use with Corrections and Amendments up to the 31st July 1904."

 

says that the badge was to be worn on the left cuff.

 

Anywhere else is "wrong" but the badge was a movable feast, like many another.

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Toby Brayley

Thank you , so in my images they are worn in the correct place! 

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GWF1967

A.S.C with slip on cloth titles.

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Toby Brayley
On 9/22/2017 at 15:43, Muerrisch said:

smarty pants

 

Mystery solved though. Just to confused it further I have an image incoming of them all being worn on the right! 

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Steven Broomfield
On ‎04‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 09:34, Toby Brayley said:

 

 

"  the fat mare with a loaf on his knee!"

RA1902.jpg

RA19022.jpg

 

Looks like the late, lamented, Terry Scott.

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Muerrisch
3 hours ago, Toby Brayley said:

 

Mystery solved though. Just to confused it further I have an image incoming of them all being worn on the right! 

You will share I trust

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FROGSMILE
On 9/23/2017 at 20:47, GWF1967 said:

A.S.C with slip on cloth titles.

Scan_20170905 (6).jpg

 

So obviously a survivors photo, the sense of relief is palpable!

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Toby Brayley

VF/TF RE Field Kitchen c1908 mix of cloth and brass RE titles!  

 

 

RE field Kitchen.jpg

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Toby Brayley

And this chap had to make an appearance here because of his Efficiency Stars. Norfolk (seated Britannia on Collars) Volunteer Btn Sgt. 

Norfolk Volunteer.jpg

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Steven Broomfield

And the little-known "Sandringham Highlanders" sett on the breeks.

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GreyC

Hi,

like these trousers. Actually like the photo on the whole. Great find.

GreyC

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Muerrisch

a stunner: the "wrong" First Class Scout badge on Welsh Regt in India, courtesy of British Badge Forum. Supposed to wear the scruffy little S in wreath badge supplied by India Govt.

 

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Toby Brayley

"The Strenuous Life". NCOs of the Sherwood Foresters  relax in the mess tent, part of a set of Postcards that I picked up from the same chap, c1910. I just love the details in this image, including the Pioneer Badge.

The Strenuous life Notts And Derby.jpg

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Steven Broomfield
42 minutes ago, Toby Brayley said:

"The Strenuous Life". NCOs of the Notts and Derby relax in the mess tent,

 

 

Senior NCOs. Not for the humble Corporals and Lance Jacks. :(

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Toby Brayley

Indeed! 

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Muerrisch

Indications are it is TF.

 

including L to R:

 

[R]QMS, Orderly Room QMS, and Acting Sergeant-Major.

 

[star over 4 chevrons, 4 chevrons, crown over 4 chevrons respectively]

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FROGSMILE
On 02/10/2017 at 17:08, Muerrisch said:

a stunner: the "wrong" First Class Scout badge on Welsh Regt in India, courtesy of British Badge Forum. Supposed to wear the scruffy little S in wreath badge supplied by India Govt.

 

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I don’t think it is in India, Muerrisch, as per your implied thoughts in the British Badge Forum.  The SD cap does not seem to have been on issue to units on the Indian Establishment, who instead continued to receive a field service cap (Indian pattern) in drab.  It seems more likely to be Gibraltar, or perhaps Malta.

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Muerrisch

Oh! I took the initial poster's description as gospel. Many thanks, I will delve deeper as in "where was the regiment/ battalion in the likely era", which I take to be very close to 1910, about the last year thaat I would expect the large f-de-l badge to be worn [went small size from 1907.]

 

Looks like EGYPT is favourite.

 

1st Welsh

July 1904 - 23 July 1906 Gravesend, Kent
23 July 1906 - 10 December 1909 Bordon, Hampshire
December 1909 - February 1912 Alexandria, Egypt (detachment in Cyprus) (New Colours: 13 December 1910)
11 February 1912 - 3 February 1913 Cairo, Egypt
February 1913 - February 1914 Khartoum, Sudan
6 February 1914 - 16 March 1914 Bombay then Meerut, India
28 March 1914 - November 1914 Chakrata, India
20 November 1914 Embarked Karachi for Plymouth

 

 

2nd Welsh

1904

Quetta India

 

1906

South Africa

 

1910

England: Pembroke Dock

 

1912

Bordon

 
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addendum

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FROGSMILE

Egypt would make sense.  SD cap was worn there when not in Wolseley helmet, or slouch hat.

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