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Toby Brayley

 

Unsent postcard, "With love to all , from Danny"    A nice view of an Royal Garrison Artillery trumpeter. 

 

 

 

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Dragoon
10 hours ago, Toby Brayley said:

 

Unsent postcard, "With love to all , from Danny"    A nice view of an Royal Garrison Artillery trumpeter. 

 

 

 

 

Are they metal shoulder titles?

They look worsted?

 

Chris 

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FROGSMILE
1 hour ago, Dragoon said:

Are they metal shoulder titles?

They look worsted?

 

Chris 


 I too think that they are woven worsted. 

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Toby Brayley

I know this one will be appreciated here! A rather wonderful candid unsent postcard of the SNCOs mess Tent of the 4th Territorial Force Btn of the Royal Berkshires.   Proficiency star in use post 1908, a Sergeant Major seated front and TF Instructor of Musketry with his 4-bars and crossed rifles. 

 

The Sergeant that has clearly been interrupted enjoying his meal, has a shoulder protector on his S.D. They have clearly been out in the sun looking at the tanned faces and white foreheads! 

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FROGSMILE

Super picture, Toby, thank you for sharing it.  It’s good to see the Musketry Instructor with his soon to be abolished badge of appointment.  Interesting too to note that the Sgt Maj, a man opposite him, and the instructor, are all wearing the blue patrol jacket. It is apparent from this and other photos that the blue patrol jacket became a particularly popular order of dress for members of the battalion staff in the period straddling the 2nd Boer War.  It is notable that the Sgt Maj’s jacket has the taller collar as worn by the officers.  I wonder if the man in smart civilian attire is the adjutant, or perhaps the sutler of the canteen.

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RNCVR

The Serg't on the left wearing 3 stars on his cuff with his hands over his knees appears to be wearing the ribbon of the Geo V Coronation medal.

 

Unable to see xactly what the Serg't Major in the patrol uniform is wearing perhaps a QSA\KSA pair?

 

Very nice photo Toby!

Thanks for posting.

Bryan

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Muerrisch

Toby, thank you. How did you date it?

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Toby Brayley

Thank you all, I dated it from the T 4 cloth title rather than V.  As RNCVR has  pointed out theres the GRV coronation medal ribbon also. 

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Muerrisch

So post  22 June 1911.

 

Very interesting, the 4-point star certainly did not die despite never appearing in TF Regs.

 

Why spoil a nice uniform by removing a badge earned previously?

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Toby Brayley

Royal Artillery Sergeant with 2nd Prize Battery (guns and star) and possible G in wreath for efficient gunners? 1475657255_RASjt2ndprizebatteryginwreatheffgun.jpg.f3dbe8c012fe798561c8292030c8a943.jpg

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FROGSMILE

Great picture, the style of belt and carriage tells us that he is field artillery too.

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This one slipped through the net, I have only just scanned it in. NCOs of a TF Btn of the Gloucesters, 1912.  Nice to see the short lived "B Type" Patrol being worn by the officer. Also a decent study of the staff sergeants belt and sword. Note the Imperial Service Tablet worn on the sash. 

 

Crossed Axes of the Pioneer Sgt

 

Colour Sgt with best shot in Company, crossed rifles with star. Nice to see a Colour Sgt with his own award for once! 

 

 

TF Gloucester NCOs 1912.jpg

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Pat Atkins

Nice, clear photo and interesting about the Imperial Service Tablet, I had never considered it outside a Great war context. Thanks Toby.

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FROGSMILE

Super picture, Toby. The first time that I’ve seen the Imperial Service tablet worn on a sergeants sash. The “sword and carriage, staff sergeant”, is I think the 1903 pattern that was made from brown rather than buff leather. He seems to be a sergeant and I’m wondering what his appointment was. My guess is Orderly Room Sergeant.  It’s typical of the regular colour sergeant to make his superior status clear by being seated alongside the officer.  The type B blue patrol frock required a white, stiff collared shirt (with the collar either upright or folded over) and a black, ribbed silk tie, a look that always appears odd to me.  The choice between Type A or Type B was supposed to be optional for each individual officer, which emphasised that it was a dress not to be worn under arms, or when parading with formed bodies of men. As I don’t think that I’ve ever seen a photo where one unit was wearing both types, I rather suspect that regimental colonels insisted on uniformity within battalions, thus ignoring the intended individual ‘choice’.

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4 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Super picture, Toby. The first time that I’ve seen the Imperial Service tablet worn on a sergeants sash. The “sword and carriage, staff sergeant”, is I think the 1903 pattern that was made from brown rather than buff leather. He seems to be a sergeant and I’m wondering what his appointment was. My guess is Orderly Room Sergeant.  It’s typical of the regular colour sergeant to make his superior status clear by being seated alongside the officer.  The type B blue patrol frock required a white, stiff collared shirt (with the collar either upright or folded over) and a black, ribbed silk tie, a look that always appears odd to me.  The choice between Type A or Type B was supposed to be optional for each individual officer, which emphasised that it was a dress not to be worn under arms, or when parading with formed bodies of men. As I don’t think that I’ve ever seen a photo where one unit was wearing both types, I rather suspect that regimental colonels insisted on uniformity within battalions, thus ignoring the intended individual ‘choice’.

 

What do you see of the colour sergeant that makes him a regular please? If unit staff he should not be competing for a company musketry prize.

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FROGSMILE
24 minutes ago, Muerrisch said:

 

What do you see of the colour sergeant that makes him a regular please? If unit staff he should not be competing for a company musketry prize.

 

I had thought that he was the Colour Sergeant Instructor of Musketry.  It did seem odd that he had no campaign medals.

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Toby Brayley

Acting Serjeant Major Ford (centre), Netley, c1910, part of 2nd London General Hospital  RAMC. Unsent but annotated Postcard.  He has Six TF efficiency Stars above his chevrons.440549577_ASMFORDRAMCNETLEY2ndLGH.jpg.fbcfc8a88bd43a57a7f9f884141c5f24.jpg

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FROGSMILE

Superb clarity Toby, thank you for posting.

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T.F? Royal Engineers ( cap badge and the large stripe on trousers) Trumpeter, unsent postcard.  

 

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RNCVR

Toby those are really fine RPPC's you have posted!  I have really enjoyed viewing them & learning more about the 1WW era British Regiments & Corps.

 

Thanks,

Bryan

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Toby Brayley
52 minutes ago, RNCVR said:

 

 

Thanks,

Bryan

 

Glad you enjoy them! I am all for sharing, else they would just sit in my albums and never see the light of day for the next 40 years.  As you can see, by posting them I can add so much more info to them with the wealth of knowledge on this forum!  In some cases I have even managed to identify individuals.

 

Regards

Toby

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FROGSMILE
59 minutes ago, Toby Brayley said:

T.F? Royal Engineers ( cap badge and the large stripe on trousers) Trumpeter, unsent postcard.  

 

 


Yes, definitely RE and wearing rarely seen p1898(?) scarlet serge patrol frocks with 03 bandoliers and 05 universal forage caps.  I wish it were in colour.

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RNCVR

Toby, I feel same as you about my many Naval postcards, really pleased to being able to show them & receive  some feedback, & feel they are being enjoyed as well!

 

Thanks, Bryan

 

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RNCVR
18 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:


  I wish it were in colour.

Yes sir, dont we all,sure save a lot of guesswork!!!

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Muerrisch

STARS, STRIPES AND CHEVRONS PDF.

 

The complete seven chapters are now edited into one PDF, available to anyone, all I need is a PM with your email address: the PDF is about 5 MB.

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