Pre-War Cloth Shoulder Titles, Rank and Insignia photos.

[Dragoon]

2 hours ago, Toby Brayley said:

A recent bargain purchase.

1880s/1890s tunic of the West Somerset Yeomanry with original badges. Not the first time I have seen the Chevron in use instead dofnthe Efficiency star. 

 

 

 

 

Lovely, thank you for sharing 

 

Chris 

[Muerrisch]

The chevron had a mysterious, not properly documented, life as a left cuff mark of re-enlistment, or of re-engagement, for the Militia. I have never fully understood it.

 

On your uniform, it is on the wrong arm for either use [I know he is not Militia]. Below is one of your shots, look at old boy in the middle.

 

This is a grey grey area.

[Muerrisch]

and 

[Toby Brayley]

And again with the Hampshire Carabiners. 

 

[GWF1967]

On 28/09/2019 at 13:51, Toby Brayley said:

 Looks like it's First Prize Battery of crossed guns and crown. 

 

 

Not sure this is any clearer but I think you have it!

[GWF1967]

T. R.F.A.-  "A Sub, Section 1, Heytesbury, Wilts. Sept."   Knook  Artillery Training Camp.    Front row, L/H officer is - Lt. (Lt Col.) Arthur John Moore Cooney. M.C.   Comm. 1916. 

The man far left wears  2 T.F. Efficiency Stars, the R/H officer is wearing Territorial "T" collar badges. 

[FROGSMILE]

8 hours ago, GWF1967 said:

Not sure this is any clearer but I think you have it!

 

If I recall correctly the Ordnance College was at Woolwich, which thus seems likely to be the location of the photo.

[Muerrisch]

15 hours ago, GWF1967 said:

Not sure this is any clearer but I think you have it!

Several Layers, trumpeter, assistant instructor signalling etc etc.

Super, thank you

[GWF1967]

9 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

If I recall correctly the Ordnance College was at Woolwich, which thus seems likely to be the location of the photo.

Many thanks.

8 hours ago, Muerrisch said:

Several Layers, trumpeter, assistant instructor signalling etc etc.

Super, thank you

A pleasure; I post and learn.

[Toby Brayley]

Happy with this one for £2.00! 

 

RFA on their way to somewhere c1902. RFA cloth titles, detachable shoulder straps, mix of SD and frocks, Trumpeter, crossed guns of the 3rd prize battery and the rare prize drivers badge surmounted  by a star, one of the only pictures I have seen of it. 

 

[FROGSMILE]

Super picture for all the reasons you’ve outlined, thank you for posting it.

[Toby Brayley]

 SSM of the Lothian and Border Horse (yeomanry). The inside is beautifully quilted and the quality of the bullion badges are superb, the period of this tunic, the crossed rifles with crown was awarded to "commanders of the best shooting squadrons". The tunic is of the Life Guard style and would have been worn with the 1871 pattern white metal helmet.

[Muerrisch]

Very nice: the blighter was himself not a marksman! I bet he had a bit of ribbing to put up with..

Post 1901 I deduce.

[Toby Brayley]

19 hours ago, Muerrisch said:

Very nice: the blighter was himself not a marksman! I bet he had a bit of ribbing to put up with..

Post 1901 I deduce.

 

It is this is post I.Y, so from 1908. 

[Toby Brayley]

 A cabinet card added to the collection, and I think new to this thread.  The seldom seen crossed cannons (not guns) surmounted by shell in wreath, 1st Prize Battery Badge. 

 

[Muerrisch]

Lovely, thank you.

The badge was an individual gunner badge until 1892, so I gather that you have cunning ways of dating the photo to later?  Do tell please!

[Toby Brayley]

1 hour ago, Muerrisch said:

Lovely, thank you.

The badge was an individual gunner badge until 1892, so I gather that you have cunning ways of dating the photo to later?  Do tell please!

 

Other than the ladys outfit, It just has on the back in pencil Grandad G????? C1890s. It could be before then but I would  place her dress well into the 1890s.  It's post 1885 with the belt he has on. 

Edited 8 October , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[Toby Brayley]

Came across this gem in the London Scottish Drill Hall. 

 

 

[robins2]

Temp flash used by Straths while training in England

[FROGSMILE]

1 hour ago, Toby Brayley said:

Came across this gem in the London Scottish Drill Hall. 

 

 

Superb capture!  Yet another variation of the pre-1908 Rifles Colour Sergeants badge.  I know of no study of these in the public domain, but I imagine the MHS or similar might have published one in a member’s bulletin.  Thank you for posting.

Edited 10 October , 2019 by FROGSMILE

[Toby Brayley]

23 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

 Thank you for posting.

 

It certainly needs some TLC, it is just hanging on a coat hanger with strong sunlight on it! 

 

Latest addition. This was taken around the corner from my house in Fareham, Hampshire.  Serjeant Instructor of Musketry wonderful view of the crossed rifles with slings.  I wonder if he was based locally perhaps in Fort Fareham or Fort Nelson. 

 

 

Hampshire Crest of 3 roses on peaked forage cap? 

 

 

 

[Muerrisch]

23 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Superb capture!  Yet another variation of the pre-1908 Rifles Colour Sergeants badge.  I know of no study of these in the public domain, but I imagine the MHS or similar might have published one in a member’s bulletin.  Thank you for posting.

Please can we have a full-on ohoto of the colour badge?

[FROGSMILE]

7 hours ago, Toby Brayley said:

 

It certainly needs some TLC, it is just hanging on a coat hanger with strong sunlight on it! 

 

Latest addition. This was taken around the corner from my house in Fareham, Hampshire.  Serjeant Instructor of Musketry wonderful view of the crossed rifles with slings.  I wonder if he was based locally perhaps in Fort Fareham or Fort Nelson. 

 

 

 

Hampshire Crest of 3 roses on peaked forage cap? 

 

 

 

 

A great view of the old style forage cap and a rare sighting of the OR pattern patrol jacket.  These latter seem to have been in a variety of designs, usually varying in the number of pockets, but invariably with a very low collar.  There doesn’t seem to be any record of their issue at public expense and it seems likely that they were an item of private purchase supported by individual regiments.
I agree that the bullion badge is that for Hampshire, so I think this is the Musketry Sergeant for the Hampshire Militia Regiment, pre-1881, as opposed to the Rifle Volunteers.

It was the Hampshire Militia that carried their Rose emblem across to the new, Hampshire Regiment that combined regulars and auxiliaries of the infantry in 1881.  The Hampshire Regiment officers badge of WW1, different to that of the ORs, was in effect the old militia badge carried forward into perpetuity.  The Tiger emblem was brought by the 67th and Laurel Wreath by the 37th.

 

 

Edited 11 October , 2019 by FROGSMILE

[Toby Brayley]

4 hours ago, Muerrisch said:

Please can we have a full-on ohoto of the colour badge?

 

That was the very best I could do with that example sadly! I will see if they can perhaps get a better photograph. They have a superb collection. 

 

1 hour ago, FROGSMILE said:

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I agree that the bullion badge is that for Hampshire... 

 

 

 

 

Brilliant, thank you for the information. I bought it cheap purely for the badge, so the local connection turned out to be a bonus! I have a particularly fine example of the crossed rifles in silver bullion. The slings are made up of individual "sequins". 

Edited 11 October , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[FROGSMILE]

2 hours ago, Toby Brayley said:

 

That was the very best I could do with that example sadly! I will see if they can perhaps get a better photograph. They have a superb collection. 

 

 

Brilliant, thank you for the information. I bought it cheap purely for the badge, so the local connection turned out to be a bonus! I have a particularly fine example of the crossed rifles in silver bullion. The slings are made up of individual "sequins". 

 

That’s a beauty in full bullion, thank you for posting it.  The example I posted is 60th Rifles pattern, rich black silk thread on scarlet wool.  As well as the 60th it was used by auxiliaries that styled themselves with similar uniform and facing colour.

Edited 11 October , 2019 by FROGSMILE