Pre-War Cloth Shoulder Titles, Rank and Insignia photos.

[FROGSMILE]

5 minutes ago, Toby Brayley said:

 

It is the ASC Brodrick,  it was blue with white braid. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, Toby, it’s just that in the image concerned the piping did not seem to my eyes as ‘white’ as I would have normally expected to see.  Grubby perhaps.  Here’s another: 

 

Edited 18 March , 2019 by FROGSMILE

[Toby Brayley]

Ahhh my apologies. As you say, I suspect it is a mixture of the film and dirt, as you can see the chap above it is not gleaming white and he is evidently ASC.   I do think that the mix of headgear in the original photograph is fantastic! 

 

*edit* thank you for the link! 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 18 March , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[FROGSMILE]

Yes, the piping appears narrower than some I’ve seen too.  The colour post card shows the contrast nicely.

[Toby Brayley]

In relation to post #479. 4th Volunteer Battalion of the Hampshire Regiment. 

 

 

An original example of the Shoulder title and an even rarer image of the reverse. 

 

 

 

[Toby Brayley]

A proficient Royal Artillery Volunteer Sjt. With Proficiency, efficiency stars and Lozenge. 

 

 

[badjez]

Please can I seek the panels opinion of this title. I am leaning towards pre-1914, perhaps an interim item whilst metal T titles were awaited.

 

Thanks, Stephen.

 

 

[Muerrisch]

Sorry that you have had no reply. I fear that titles are outside my limited expertise.

Have you tried the British Badge Forum?

[badjez]

Not yet tried BCBF as I thought I might get a more informed reply from this forum.

Thanks for looking anyway,

 

Stephen.

[FROGSMILE]

On 30/03/2019 at 03:36, badjez said:

Please can I seek the panels opinion of this title. I am leaning towards pre-1914, perhaps an interim item whilst metal T titles were awaited.

 

Thanks, Stephen.

 

 

Metal titles were issued again from 1907 (regulars) and 1908-09 (TF), allegedly because the cost of wool increased and metal decreased.  In each case phased in (i.e. not issued to every unit simultaneously), my guess is that the badge you have was an initial pattern worn briefly on the removable type shoulder straps worn before the later type became fixed. We know they are for shoulder straps because the curve has a concave top. The type worn on the top of arms had a convex top.

[Toby Brayley]

 

 

13 hours ago, badjez said:

Not yet tried BCBF as I thought I might get a more informed reply from this forum.

Thanks for looking anyway,

 

Stephen.

 

A very Interesting piece Stephen! I have never seen an example before.  If you find any further information please do share with us. Do you have dimensions of the title?  It is obviously post 1908, I also suspect from its construction and style that is is from a fixed style shoulder strap or maybe even a cut up slip on title? 

 

Regards

Toby

 

Edited 1 April , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[Toby Brayley]

Latest arrival, regular Royal Garrison Artillery c1906. Brilliant study of the scarlet on blue cut out style RGA cloth Shoulder title as well as a number of Prize Gunnery Badges. 

Edited 1 April , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[Derek Black]

11 minutes ago, Toby Brayley said:

Latest arrival, regular Royal Garrison Artillery c1906. Brilliant study of the scarlet on blue cut out style RGA cloth Shoulder title as well as a number of Prize Gunnery Badges. 

Possibly a bit easier on the eye.
 

[Toby Brayley]

Much better thank you Derek! 

[Toby Brayley]

Very chuffed with the latest arrival.  Wonderful image (unsent PC) of the 6th Volunteer Battalion of the Royal Scots.  Fine study of the Shoulder titles. 

 

[Muerrisch]

1 hour ago, Toby Brayley said:

Much better thank you Derek! 

includes a trumpeter with trumpet, an a ?? with bugle including cord. Not a "bugler" [no establishment or pay grade] and no trumpet badge. Under training perhaps?

[Toby Brayley]

R.A Harness maker etc. 5 button frock.

 

 

Edited 8 April , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[FROGSMILE]

Super view of the RA 5-button undress frock, Toby. Thank you for posting.  I think that the trade in full was ‘Saddle tree and Harness maker’, although the nomenclature changed over the years.

Edited 8 April , 2019 by FROGSMILE

[Toby Brayley]

Volunteers from the Kings Own. Nice shot of the Vol, Proficiency, Efficiency Star and lozenge. 

 

 

[FROGSMILE]

A good view of the collar badge used initially on the Field Service Cap too, Toby.  Thanks for posting.

[Toby Brayley]

A rather timely post for today (yes, I have been saving it) 

 

 

 F Company, 2nd Btn Northumberland Fusiliers. Colour-Sjt seated front wearing the best shot in Company and best shot in Battalion badges. The Picture was taken during the St. George's Day celebrations, Gravesend,1904. 

 

 

Edited 23 April , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[Toby Brayley]

Finally acquired an image of the Drivers prize badge.  A crystal clear image of it at that!  Some very nice details in this postcard.

 

 

Edited 24 April , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[58 Div Mule]

4 hours ago, Toby Brayley said:

A rather timely post for today (yes, I have been saving it) 

 

 

 F Company, 2nd Btn Northumberland Fusiliers. Colour-Sjt seated front wearing the best shot in Company and best shot in Battalion badges.  The only image I have seen of the Brodrick adorned with the hackle. The Picture was taken during the St. George's Day celebrations, Gravesend,1904. 

 

 

 

Are these hackles or red and white roses?

[FROGSMILE]

1 hour ago, 58 Div Mule said:

 

Are these hackles or red and white roses?

 

They are red and white roses, traditionally worn by the Northumberland Fusiliers (prev 5th Regt of Foot) on St George’s Day as a long-standing regimental tradition.  In this case they are seen on the Brodrick ‘universal forage cap’ worn between 1900-1905.

Edited 23 April , 2019 by FROGSMILE

[Toby Brayley]

Super stuff thank you for clearing that up.  They are without doubt the red and white rose. 

 

Edited 23 April , 2019 by Toby Brayley

[Muerrisch]

9 hours ago, Toby Brayley said:

A rather timely post for today (yes, I have been saving it) 

 

 

 F Company, 2nd Btn Northumberland Fusiliers. Colour-Sjt seated front wearing the best shot in Company and best shot in Battalion badges. The Picture was taken during the St. George's Day celebrations, Gravesend,1904. 

 

 

The colour sergeant is wearing a staff tunic so is probably the CSgt Asst Instr Musketry. Thus wearing at least three sets of crossed rifles. Any chance of a better scan please?