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Early Pre-War Cloth Shoulder Titles and Insignia photos.

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Muerrisch

Nice group, but not yet Royal.

Soon, but not yet.

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Toby Brayley

Good point, that was in my head telling me not to type it! Amended. 

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Toby Brayley

Just aquired this large mounted photograph. Struggling to identify the P.T.Is Regiment. Those on the course the appear to be a mix, I note how nearly everyman has a totally different trouser belt on.

 

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FROGSMILE

I think either Essex or Dorsetshire Regiment, Toby, with the former being the most likely going by the cloth shoulder title.

The lowermost clasp looks reminiscent of Boy Scouts, Church Lads Brigade, or similar.

Some very early striped ‘stable belts’ (as we know them now) on view too.

 

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Toby Brayley

Thank you, I will happily go with the Essex, quite convinced it is a short title ending in X and the flat part of the scroll of the Essex badge matches. 

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FROGSMILE
34 minutes ago, Toby Brayley said:

Thank you, I will happily go with the Essex, quite convinced it is a short title ending in X and the flat part of the scroll of the Essex badge matches. 

 

Yes, I too thought that the flat part at the base of the badge matched.

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Toby Brayley

Royal Field Artillery.

 

Aside from the titles there is a very interesting mix of shoulder straps here, that I can find no reference to. There are clearly the usual RA style, there are also plain detachable and what appear, at first glance, to be brass RFA shoulder titles, on closer inspection it is actually  RFA embroidered onto the strap. 

 

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Toby Brayley

India 1907. 

 

A nice array of P.T.Is crossed swords on the India Frocks, the Sergeant also has a Distance Judging star.  It is  a nice view of the 10th Hussars P.W.O arm badge. 

 

 

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Derek Black
27 minutes ago, Toby Brayley said:

India 1907. 

 

A nice array of P.T.Is crossed swords on the India Frocks, the Sergeant also has a Distance Judging star.  It is  a nice view of the 10th Hussars P.W.O arm badge. 

 

 

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I hope you don't mind, here's a slightly less sandy version after a bit of editing.

 

 

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FROGSMILE
Posted (edited)
On 27/02/2019 at 15:46, Toby Brayley said:

Royal Field Artillery.

 

Aside from the titles there is a very interesting mix of shoulder straps here, that I can find no reference to. There are clearly the usual RA style, there are also plain detachable and what appear, at first glance, to be brass RFA shoulder titles, on closer inspection it is actually  RFA embroidered onto the strap. 

 

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I have seen before, slip-on, woven shoulder titles, white letters on drab, stitched directly onto the issued removable shoulder straps.  I suspect that’s what’s seen here (below).

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FROGSMILE
22 minutes ago, Derek Black said:


I hope you don't mind, here's a slightly less sandy version after a bit of editing.

 

 

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Thank you for posting these, Toby and Derek, such a range of interesting features in one picture is unusual.  I have never seen before a LCpl with crossed swords AND crown (the earliest version of the APTIs badge) in a photo.  I’m guessing that he might be one of the few ‘paid’ LCpl permitted on the establishment of each battalion.

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Posted (edited)

Thank you all.  It is also the only time I have seen it on a L/Cpl. 

 

Derek, that is much better! 

 

Regards

Toby 

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Muerrisch

Is this an ["indian" ] Club of PTIs ?

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FROGSMILE
Posted (edited)
38 minutes ago, Muerrisch said:

Is this an ["indian" ] Club of PTIs ?

 

No, old friend.  I’ve been able to enlarge on a decent size screen and all three men with the badge visible are sporting (pun unintended) crossed basket hilt sabres with small crown, a la the Gymnastics Staff.

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Muerrisch

My query was a failed intended joke, a la 

 

body of pathologists

lamentation of swans

coven of witches

 

 

 

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FROGSMILE

Sorry, I’m afraid it flew over my head.  I thought perhaps you didn’t have the ability to enlarge the image to hand....

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Toby Brayley

Cloth title of the 2nd Battalion Scots Guards. As we all know a guardsman would never allow himself to be seem improperly dressed! 

 

 

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GWF1967

A.S.C. Horse Transport.  Cloth shoulder titles, a mix of headgear, good conduct stripes, driver and farrier badges, whips and various tools of the trade on display.

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Toby Brayley

Very nice, thank you for sharing, lots going on in that image! 

 

Regards

Toby

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FROGSMILE

Cracking photo as Toby says.  Can you focus in on the cap badges, I’m not so sure that they are ASC, though I must admit the trades on view suggest it.  There doesn’t appear to be a crown at the top of the ‘star’ that I can see (albeit  it is from a distance) and I’d expect to see white piping, etc. on the single Brodrick cap that is visible, unless he’s perhaps a lone AOC man. 

The mix of SD caps, Brodrick, Field Service Cap and various shoulder straps/cords suggests a date of around 1905.

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GWF1967
3 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

Cracking photo as Toby says.  Can you focus in on the cap badges, I’m not so sure that they are ASC, though I must admit the trades on view suggest it.  There doesn’t appear to be a crown at the top of the ‘star’ that I can see (albeit  it is from a distance) and I’d expect to see white piping, etc. on the single Brodrick cap that is visible, unless he’s perhaps a lone AOC man. 

The mix of SD caps, Brodrick, Field Service Cap and various shoulder straps/cords suggests a date of around 1905.

Best I can do; the old sweat with Boer War ribbons has a trade badge too.

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Muerrisch

Trumpeter in the Brodrick

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GWF1967
2 hours ago, Muerrisch said:

Trumpeter in the Brodrick

Thank you. 

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FROGSMILE
6 hours ago, GWF1967 said:

Best I can do; the old sweat with Boer War ribbons has a trade badge too.

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Yes I think that they are ASC, there seems to be the hint of a crown at top, and can now make out the blue on white ASC cloth title on the man with the field service cap.  I’m puzzled by the Brodrick colours though.

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Toby Brayley
19 hours ago, FROGSMILE said:

.  I’m puzzled by the Brodrick colours though.

 

It is the ASC Brodrick,  it was blue with white braid.  Only the second time I have seen a photo of it. 

 

regards

Toby

 

 

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