Koppelschloss Posted 18 December , 2016 Share Posted 18 December , 2016 Hi, I am new here. I've been collecting bayonets for a couple of years - mostly german WW1. Please have a look at this one. Saw with 38 teeth, there is some old rust between teeth - all in all it gives an impression of being original. No markings except for E&F HORSTER / Solingen. Came to me with WW2 Scabbard. However is it original ? I wonder what's your opinion. Greetings Lukas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 23 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 23 December , 2016 On 12/19/2016 at 01:21, Koppelschloss said: Hi, I am new here. I've been collecting bayonets for a couple of years - mostly german WW1. Please have a look at this one. Saw with 38 teeth, there is some old rust between teeth - all in all it gives an impression of being original. No markings except for E&F HORSTER / Solingen. Came to me with WW2 Scabbard. However is it original ? I wonder what's your opinion. Hi Lukas, and welcome to GWForum! If you already have some WW1 german bayonets then I think you will find lots of interest here! This one looks fine to me - without handling it! the teeth have that correct appearance when viewed from above, extending slightly over the blade. The maker marking is fine, and the absence of a flashguard is not unusual for an early E&F Horster product. In my experience, these Horster ones, without the flashguard, do not usually have a 'State' crown over letter over year date on the blade spine, and you don't mention one and so I assume that is the case here. However, the lack of a flashgard indicates this one was made before the summer of 1915. The official instruction to make these S/84/98's can be tied down to late 1914, but production does not seem to have started until January/February 1915. Just out of interest, what is the scabbard marking? Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koppelschloss Posted 23 December , 2016 Share Posted 23 December , 2016 Thank you very much Julian. Perfect - considering the fact that it cost me 150 Euro - I guess it was a good deal after all Scabbard marking are presented below - WW2. I found it in a bunch of WW2 84/98 bayonets and was slightly misled by the absence of a flashguard. Additionally no markings - usually I tend to eliminate such bayonets but ... the teeth ... made me bought it Merry Christmas Everyone Lukas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 24 December , 2016 Author Share Posted 24 December , 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, Koppelschloss said: ... Perfect - considering the fact that it cost me 150 Euro - I guess it was a good deal after all ... I found it in a bunch of WW2 84/98 bayonets and was slightly misled by the absence of a flashguard. Additionally no markings - usually I tend to eliminate such bayonets but ... the teeth ... made me bought it Happy to help where I can - and that was a very good deal! My one example of an early S.84/98 m.S. and without a flashguard cost somewhat more than that - but it did come with a unit-marked leather scabbard. On the matter of flashguards on these 84/98's and flashguards, have a look at: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/231823-a-few-8498s/&page=2#comment-2348240 post no.50, where I quote a Bavarian document referring back to K.Preuß.Kriegsmin. document No. 2499.3.15.J, issued on 24.03.1915, on how all 84/98's made after then were to be fitted with flashguards, and that those 84/98's already in use and without flashguards, were to be exchanged for ones with flashguards when these became available. So, you and I have a pair of rarities - 84/98's made before that date and lacking flashguards! Julian Edited 24 December , 2016 by trajan Spelling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koppelschloss Posted 26 January , 2017 Share Posted 26 January , 2017 Hi Julian Yes, I read that Bavarian document - thanks for posting it. In the mean time I spent some money on new 'Spielzeuge' - one very nice 71/84 with perfect scabbard and one 84/98 - in my beloved condition - not polished, slightly rusty and the only thing that bothers me is that the bolts are on the wrong side - there is a picture of your "three baby Henckel 84/98's" - the first on the right has the same problem - so to say. Mine was accepted in 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 27 January , 2017 Author Share Posted 27 January , 2017 Excellent and a lovey clear fraktur there! A little bit of tender loving care will bring it up nicely I have no idea why some of these were fitted with the grip screws the wrong way round, other than that the grips must have been taken off for some reason - but why? Or simply a lack of attention at the factory during the finishing??? Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seitengewehr69 Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 ich habe das gleiche seiten gewehr ohne blitzschutz kan dir bilder senden man findet sie nicht oft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 29 July , 2019 Share Posted 29 July , 2019 Hey Julian, I already have posted this pic, but are the original 84/98's converted from 71/84 bayonet's considered more valuable then the new made 84/98 ones. I think the new made ones are actually 1 or 2 CM longer than original 71/84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 29 July , 2019 Share Posted 29 July , 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, seitengewehr69 said: ich habe das gleiche seiten gewehr ohne blitzschutz kan dir bilder senden man findet sie nicht oft Here is my contribution on 84/98 bayonets with unit markings. Regards D. Edited 29 July , 2019 by zuluwar2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 July , 2019 Share Posted 30 July , 2019 Hey Demitrios, With my one lonely 84/98, wit your Horde there, I surrender I surrender, You have a wide assortment as usual,plus all those units, and you tend to find all the rare units as well.I don't know how you do it? EXELENT. Do you have any bayonet marke to a telegraph unit?? I might be getting one,think F.T. (forgot last letter) does that sound correct? anaig,thanks for the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seitengewehr69 Posted 30 July , 2019 Share Posted 30 July , 2019 hallo ich besitze ein 84/98 gleiche wie die mehlich klingen aber abname stempel l 93 auf rucken und abname am grif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuluwar2006 Posted 30 July , 2019 Share Posted 30 July , 2019 3 hours ago, seitengewehr69 said: hallo ich besitze ein 84/98 gleiche wie die mehlich klingen aber abname stempel l 93 auf rucken und abname am grif Can you post a photo please??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seitengewehr69 Posted 30 July , 2019 Share Posted 30 July , 2019 58 minutes ago, zuluwar2006 said: Kannst du bitte ein Foto posten ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve1871 Posted 30 July , 2019 Share Posted 30 July , 2019 Seitengewehre69 A nice bayonet, a conversion from 71/84, war time rework with flash guard, scabbard is an early type. Did you buy this or is it a seller's photo's? How you have been asking, I not sure. Still is a good bayonet for a collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seitengewehr69 Posted 1 August , 2019 Share Posted 1 August , 2019 On 31.7.2019 at 01:29, Steve1871 said: Seitengewehre69 Ein schönes Bajonett, ein Umbau von 71/84, Kriegszeitüberholung mit Blitzschutz, Scheide ist ein früher Typ. Haben Sie das gekauft oder handelt es sich um ein Foto des Verkäufers? Wie Sie gefragt haben, weiß ich nicht. Noch ist ein gutes Bajonett für eine Sammlung ich habe das gekauft fur 180 euro und ein schönes mehlich für 150 euro mfg wen du mahl ein 71/84 säge verkaufen wirst dan informiere mich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seitengewehr69 Posted 1 August , 2019 Share Posted 1 August , 2019 On 31.7.2019 at 01:29, Steve1871 said: Seitengewehre69 Ein schönes Bajonett, ein Umbau von 71/84, Kriegszeitüberholung mit Blitzschutz, Scheide ist ein früher Typ. Haben Sie das gekauft oder handelt es sich um ein Foto des Verkäufers? Wie Sie gefragt haben, weiß ich nicht. Noch ist ein gutes Bajonett für eine Sammlung gekauft hab ich das mus nur noch saubermachen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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