Pennyjane Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 In need of further information on a bugle I have from WW1. On the bugle it states Presented by Captain PD Ionides Hawkes & Sons Piccadilly Circus London 1915 16 MX 3. Can anyone help with some history on this please or value. Cannot find anything similar elsewhere. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 24 August , 2015 Share Posted 24 August , 2015 Hawkes and Sons Ltd Piccadily Gardens London is the name and address of the manufacturer. Could be presented 1915 to 16 Bn Middlesex Regt, instrument number 3 of the set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennyjane Posted 25 August , 2015 Author Share Posted 25 August , 2015 Thank you that's been helpful wondered what MX3 meant. Do you know why it could of been presented..would it of been normal for it to be presented by the regiments own Captain ? Hence PD Ionides. What's number 3 of the set? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 25 August , 2015 Share Posted 25 August , 2015 (edited) The Battalion would have liked to have a Corps of Drums as is normal in the Infantry. I do not think the War Office would have seen the need for the Battalion at this time to have a Corps of Drums and therefore the instruments were supplied at private expense. Officers presenting bugles and silverware to a Battalion is not unusual. He could have presented more than one bugle, possibly all of them, the total number is impossible to guess at. Another possibility is that x number of officers clubbed together to purchase x number bugles and the bugles would all have the name of an officer engraved them. They would all be numbered so that the Drummer knew which was "his" bugle and the Drum Major would know who was responsible for which instrument.Charlie Edited 26 August , 2015 by charlie2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERITAGE PLUS Posted 26 August , 2015 Share Posted 26 August , 2015 The 16th Middlesex were the Public Schools Battalion. Capt. Philip Ionides was an Old Harrovian. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennyjane Posted 26 August , 2015 Author Share Posted 26 August , 2015 Thank you for the information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 29 August , 2015 Share Posted 29 August , 2015 Very interesting and there is bound to be a story behind this. It is true that war-raised 'Service' battalions created and advocated by Lord Kitchener as a result of his ambivalence towards the Territorial Army (in particular that they were not obligated to serve overseas but had to volunteer), were not funded for musical instruments of any kind, as this was not seen as militarily essential. Most Commanding Officers sought to raise a corps of drums as a minimum and local newspapers often reported efforts of local people to raise funds to provide these by public subscription, especially for the better known 'Pals' battalions such as the 16th (Public Schools) Battalion Middlesex Regiment. The instrument manufacturer had sales records and it is quite possible that these still exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asanewt Posted 29 August , 2015 Share Posted 29 August , 2015 Boosey & Co. merged with Hawkes & Son. Now Boosey & Hawkes they may be interested/have info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 30 August , 2015 Share Posted 30 August , 2015 Boosey & Co. merged with Hawkes & Son. Now Boosey & Hawkes they may be interested/have info. Yes, it is surprising how often records have been maintained by these old companies. Wartime was often a period of expansion and good business for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 30 August , 2015 Share Posted 30 August , 2015 There is probably a manufacturer's number stamped elsewhere on the bugle, this would make it a lot easier to trace if the records still exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pennyjane Posted 30 August , 2015 Author Share Posted 30 August , 2015 Thank you will look into this further & let you know how I get on ☺ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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