museumtom Posted 3 July , 2015 Share Posted 3 July , 2015 I am of the opinion that this lad may be suitable for IFCP. I reckon he died after discharge but try as I might I cannot find him in the Monaghan casualties, the Monaghan newspapers, nor FMP. Any help or suggestions would be so very much appreciated. Thanking you most sincerely in advance ( and sorry for being a pain but I would hate to pass him by). Kind regards. Tom. Belfast News Letter. 31/05/1915. Private Joseph McCabe, of the 2nd Battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers, and belonging to the Toll Bar, Monaghan, who was wounded in the head has just died. His father and other brothers still reside in the town Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 3 July , 2015 Share Posted 3 July , 2015 I am of the opinion that this lad may be suitable for IFCP. I reckon he died after discharge but try as I might I cannot find him in the Monaghan casualties, the Monaghan newspapers, nor FMP. Any help or suggestions would be so very much appreciated. Thanking you most sincerely in advance ( and sorry for being a pain but I would hate to pass him by). Kind regards. Tom. Belfast News Letter. 31/05/1915. Private Joseph McCabe, of the 2nd Battalion Royal Irish Fusiliers, and belonging to the Toll Bar, Monaghan, who was wounded in the head has just died. His father and other brothers still reside in the town Any idea what the father was called ? There's a 'John' McCabe killed 10 May 15 , #5463 RIF Name: John McCabeBirth Place: Coatbridge, Lanark Residence: Bessbrook, Co. Armagh Death Date: 10 May 1915 Death Place: France and Flanders Enlistment Place: Newry, Co. Down Rank: L Corporal Regiment: Princess Victoria's (Royal Irish Fusiliers) Battalion: 2nd Battalion Regimental Number: 5463 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Western European Theatre Not sure it's the right man though. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 3 July , 2015 Great minds and all that. He was the first one I considered, but he has no Monaghan connection and is on the Menin Gate. Sorry Craig. I appreciate your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 3 July , 2015 Share Posted 3 July , 2015 ****** - I was hoping it get it in one Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 3 July , 2015 Share Posted 3 July , 2015 I'd be concerned about the complete lack of anything obvious for him - I'd image that the surname is wrong but hard to say for certain. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 3 July , 2015 Share Posted 3 July , 2015 Mic for 2706 Joseph McCabe RIF. No date of death or address. Not in SDGW or Soldiers Effects. 1911 Census. Not knowing village names not sure if he is listed! http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1911&surname=mccabe&firstname=joseph&county19011911=Monaghan&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&barony=&parish=&ward=&townland=&houseNumber=&familyId=&ded=&age=&sex=M&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 3 July , 2015 Share Posted 3 July , 2015 Mic for 2706 Joseph McCabe RIF. No date of death or address. Not in SDGW or Soldiers Effects. 1911 Census. Not knowing village names not sure if he is listed! http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1911&surname=mccabe&firstname=joseph&county19011911=Monaghan&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&barony=&parish=&ward=&townland=&houseNumber=&familyId=&ded=&age=&sex=M&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving= Medal Rolls seem to indicate he survived as no death or early discharge noted. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 3 July , 2015 Thanks lads. The snippet says the Toll Gate, Monaghan, so I reckon it is Monaghan Town itself. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 3 July , 2015 Share Posted 3 July , 2015 You posted Toll Bar, but it seems to be in the town. You could try BMD if they cover Monaghan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 3 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 3 July , 2015 BMDs does not throw up anything useable John. https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Ajoseph~%20%2Bsurname%3Amccabe~%20%2Bdeath_place%3Amonaghan~%20%2Bdeath_year%3A1915-1915~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 5 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2015 I did wonder, as he had a head wound, and looks like he died after discharge (a guess) he may have an S.W.B.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 Can't see anything obvious that matches the time on the SWB rolls. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 2 RIF deployed from Quetta in 1914 - worth checking the 1911 census and seeing if he's with them then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 Can't get round the Menin Gate listing but might this be the family in Armagh in 1911? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 5 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2015 Thanks Craig and Simon, we did consider John McCabe, but discounted him as he is on the Menin Gate Memorial and has a different first name. Thanks for all your help lads. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 There does not appear to be a Joseph on the posted census. Perhaps he was already with the army? The CWGC entry would mean that if he had a grave it had been lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 #5463 was born in COATBRIDGE, LANARK according to SDGW so not sure he's the same man as on the census in post #14. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 His father and other brothers still reside in the town Perhaps a look for the mothers death before May 1915? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 His father and other brothers still reside in the town Perhaps a look for the mothers death before May 1915? Not much but might cut down the possibilities: Making a couple of assumptions for the mother - date of birth between 1850 & 1880 and died between 1910 and 1915 gives 3 possibles for Monaghan - Mary (b 1854), Roseanne (b 1853) and Margaret (b 1875). EDIT: Nothing obvious for the three above Going back a few years: 1900-1909 Ellen (b 1853), Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 5 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2015 Thanks lads. You gotta love this lateral thinking, well done. I had not considered that. It just might work. Something might give us a spark that gels it all together. Kind regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 Thanks lads. You gotta love this lateral thinking, well done. I had not considered that. It just might work. Something might give us a spark that gels it all together. Kind regards. Tom. You've picked a good one this time Tom (and it gets my head away from my work on War Gratuities for a few minutes) Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon_Fielding Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 #5463 was born in COATBRIDGE, LANARK according to SDGW so not sure he's the same man as on the census in post #14. Craig Census man is born Scotland though. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 Census man is born Scotland though. .. Next time I'll look at the right man on the census Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 I think we should take the man on Menin Gate and try to positively discount him. Try and whittle them down one by one. We have a date of death which could fit. It seems that as only father is mentioned that his mother has died previously. He has brothers listed. Given his age ,25yrs in 1915 gives an aprox dob of 1890. Could he have been a regular.? The John Francis shown on census fits his age. He could have been named John but went by Joseph or Joe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 5 July , 2015 Share Posted 5 July , 2015 #5463's father was Michael as per the Soldiers Effects , also had a brother called Michael. The service number would be suggestive of an 1895-96 enlistment - armyservicenumbers.blogspot.co.uk/2011/02/royal-irish-fusiliers-1st-2nd.html - so possibly a regular (if he'd re-enlisted at the start of the war he'd have a new number). This would in theory rule him out of being the man on the 1911 census. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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