ph0ebus Posted 22 June , 2015 Author Share Posted 22 June , 2015 All, Composing my email to Volksbund now. I am assuming I should send it here? info@volksbund.de If you know of a better address to use please let me know. Thanks, -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceF Posted 22 June , 2015 Share Posted 22 June , 2015 Yes, that's the one I used. Works fine. Christine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 22 June , 2015 Author Share Posted 22 June , 2015 Yes, that's the one I used. Works fine. Christine Perfect! Email and evidence at hand sent to Volksbund. I will post updates here as I get them. Thanks everyone who has contributed to this effort! -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 7 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 7 July , 2015 Hi all, My update is that there is no formal response as of yet from Volksbund after two weeks, other than the automated 'Thanks for your email" email I received on 6/22. I'll continue to monitor and will post any new info as it comes in. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 17 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2015 Hello all! I am pleased to report I have received a clear, comprehensive and I would say definitive answer in regards to the whereabouts of Heinrich. First, the reply, in German, which I provide for those German speakers (and readers) to help clarify (and in my small way, apologize for) the terrible machine translation into English that will shortly follow. The original reply: Sehr geehrter Herr Stern,Ihre E-Mail vom 22.06.2015 bezüglich Heinrich Steiner haben wir erhalten.Nach einigen Recherchen konnten wir herausfinden, dass Heinrich Steiner indas Familiengrab der Familie Steiner auf den israelitischen Friedhof inLaupheim überführt wurde.Der für diesen Friedhof zuständige Mitarbeiter Herr Michael Schick hatangeboten Ihnen detaillierte Auskünfte zu Heinrich Steiner geben zukönnen. Des Weiteren kennt er die Familie Steiner persönlich und hat auchsogleich Kontakt zu Herrn Dr. Yitzhak Heinrich Steiner aufgenommen.Herrn Schick können Sie unter der folgenden Adresse kontaktieren:Michael Schick, ******************(redacted),E-Mail: *********************(redacted)Herr Steiner hat mich inzwischen per E-Mail kontaktiert und mich gebeten,seine E-Mail-Adresse an Sie weiterzuleiten, damit Sie sich direkt mit ihmin Verbindung setzen können. Er ist gern dazu bereit, Ihnen bei IhremAnliegen weiterzuhelfen.Sie können ihn unter folgender E-Mail-Adresse erreichen:*******************(redacted)Ich hoffe Ihnen mit diesen Informationen weitergeholfen zu haben und binbei weiteren Fragen selbstverständlich gern für Sie da.Mit freundlichem Gruss/best regardsStephanie Backhauß The translation (for what its worth): Dear Mr. Stern,Your e-mail from 22.06.2015 regarding Heinrich Steiner we received.After some research we determined that (the body of) Heinrich Steiner was transferred to the family grave of the Steiner family in the Israelite cemetery inLaupheim .In charge of this cemetery employee Mr. Michael Schickcan offer you detailed information about Heinrich Steiner. Furthermore, he knows the family Steiner personally and has alsoimmediately contacted Dr. Yitzhak Heinrich Steiner.Mr. Schick, you can contact at the following address:Michael Schick, *************************(redacted),Email: ***************************(redacted)Mr. Steiner has since contacted me via email and asked meto forward his e-mail address to you to make you feel right with him (??)can get in touch. He is willing to provide you with yourWeiterzuhelfen concern. (??)You can reach him at the following e-mail address:*************************(redacted)I hope to have helped you with this information and amFor further questions, of course happy to help.Best regards / best regardsStephanie Backhauß So, it would appear we answered several questions; we now know that Heinrich is buried in Laupheim, and that the individual stone likely is his original gravestone after his birial there, but which was subsequently replaced by the family stone that presently stands on that spot. Another fellow soldier now lies in the very grave he once occupied. It also is clear that at least in this case, Jewish remains were exhumned and returned to Germany for burial, which of course is quite significant. Lastly, I now know that apparently have living family that I can now contact and get to know there! All in all, a fantastic result, and I could not be more pleased or more thankful to everyone who contributed and came along on this journey. In baseball terms, this is (in my estimation) a home run. Best wishes, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWK Posted 17 July , 2015 Share Posted 17 July , 2015 Result! Puzzled to learn that Heinrich's body has apparently been exhumed, and removed to the family grave back home (as I honestly thought that was against Jewish beliefs), but delighted to find he's now with his family! Herr Steiner hat mich inzwischen per E-Mail kontaktiert und mich gebeten,seine E-Mail-Adresse an Sie weiterzuleiten, damit Sie sich direkt mit ihmin Verbindung setzen können. Er ist gern dazu bereit, Ihnen bei IhremAnliegen weiterzuhelfen. In the meantime Mr Steiner contacted me by e-mail, and has asked me to send his e-mail adress to you, so you can contact him directly. He is very willing to help you further in this matter. JW And don't forget to contact Michael Schick! I'm confident he can tell you things about Heinrich and the Steiners that even the Steiners don't know. PS: dict.cc is a very good German-English on-line translator, I use it daily. It catches the words that Google translate very often misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 17 July , 2015 Author Share Posted 17 July , 2015 That is what I thought! Having this information I did a little research and discovered there are circumstances in which exhumation is not only permitted but may even be required under Rabbinical Law: See these: https://www.rabbinicalassembly.org/sites/default/files/public/halakhah/teshuvot/19912000/geller_exhuming.pdf Page 2 (Exceptions) of the above appears to apply to this instance. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0005_0_05253.html The rules laid out in the last paragraph, though it applies to later conflicts, may have been shaped by what happened in previous conflicts, including the Great War. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 18 July , 2015 Share Posted 18 July , 2015 Good news on all sides - you have found the grave and the bonus of the extended family! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Mackenzie Posted 18 July , 2015 Share Posted 18 July , 2015 Great result Daniel - and well done to everyone involved. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliceF Posted 18 July , 2015 Share Posted 18 July , 2015 Hi, Great that you got an answer from the Volksbund to the question where Heinrich Steiner was buried, and that he actually was transferred to the family grave. So nice that you even can get into contact with relatives and to Mr Schick at the cemetery. Christine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 10 August , 2015 Author Share Posted 10 August , 2015 Very excited to share that I am now in contact with the Steiner family and have begun exchanging information. Of note is that many of that branch of the family came to New York and Chicago over the last century. Interesting! They also sent me more information about Heinrich's service, which I am digesting. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Feledziak Posted 10 August , 2015 Share Posted 10 August , 2015 It just goes to show the rewards which can be obtained from poking around in family history !! Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 11 August , 2015 Share Posted 11 August , 2015 What a fantastic result for you. I hope you will share any further information once you have digested it. If you are still wondering about abbreviations, Vorm. is as JWK suggested, Vormittag and GG = Gewehr Geschoss - GSW. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Mackenzie Posted 24 May , 2019 Share Posted 24 May , 2019 Daniel. I know this is an old thread but did you find out when his body was moved back to Germany? Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 5 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 5 June , 2019 On 24/05/2019 at 09:26, Neil Mackenzie said: Daniel. I know this is an old thread but did you find out when his body was moved back to Germany? Neil Hi Neil, I will have to consult my files when I get home; if I did get that information I will post it here. Thanks, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 13 June , 2019 Author Share Posted 13 June , 2019 On 05/06/2019 at 12:41, ph0ebus said: Hi Neil, I will have to consult my files when I get home; if I did get that information I will post it here. Thanks, Daniel Hi Neil, I never did get that information. Sorry for the delay in following up. Thanks, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Mackenzie Posted 13 June , 2019 Share Posted 13 June , 2019 No worries. I will out at Bray soon so will be mentioning Heinrich. Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 1 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 1 July , 2019 On 13/06/2019 at 13:55, Neil Mackenzie said: No worries. I will out at Bray soon so will be mentioning Heinrich. Neil Fantastic! Best wishes, Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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