Malc Knowles Posted 15 May , 2015 Posted 15 May , 2015 Some time ago I was helped with information on two soldiers, two brothers who were killed during the First war John and Percy Carlile. I had researched old newspaper articles and found relevant entries for them both. One such entry also mentioned the father Thomas Carlile Born 1867 in Orston Nottinghamshire. The article reads as follows:- "The father served two years in Kitchener's Army being discharged as medically unfit. He is an old veteran having served with the 95th and was discharged in 1894 with the rank of Sergeant" Since finding this I have had contact with relatives of one of the surviving sons of Thomas. They tell me that in 1965 they found a red military uniform and some Indian nick-nacks and were told that one member of the family served in India. I may be jumping to conclusions but did the 95th wear red uniforms and were in India during the late 1800's and is it possible that records still exist. Sorry I know it isn't directly related to the Great War but I would be very grateful of any information. Regards Malc Knowles
Ron Clifton Posted 15 May , 2015 Posted 15 May , 2015 Hello Malc Yes, the 95th Foot (2nd Bn Sherwood Foresters from 1881) wore red tunics. As to service in India, there is a Victorian Wars Forum which should be able to help you. Ron
HERITAGE PLUS Posted 15 May , 2015 Posted 15 May , 2015 Malc Yes they served in India from 1882-1898, A list of the locations at which the Battalion was stationed there, and elsewhere,can be seen here: http://www.britisharmedforces.org/i_regiments/sherwood_index.htm He could possibly be this man: 7256 CQMS Thomas Carlile, Notts & Derby Regt. Served 16 Sep 14 to 21 June 16 Discharged due to sickness SWB No: 155540 issued on 5 Apr 17 Dave
Malc Knowles Posted 15 May , 2015 Author Posted 15 May , 2015 Thank you both for the information I will have a look on the Victorian forum Many thanks Malc
Scritch Posted 15 May , 2015 Posted 15 May , 2015 Just as an aside to your post, and you probably know this already, but were you aware that John and Percy Carlile are both named on the memorial at Old Whittington near Chesterfield at all? http://derbyshirewarmemorials.wikispaces.com/Old+Whittington There is also an Alexander Carlile of the Lancashire Fusiliers named on it too, is he another of your relations? Hope this is of interest to you, if you would like a high resolution copy of our photograph of the memorial I'd be more than happy to send it to you if you would like to PM me an email address. Kind regards Richard
stevem49 Posted 15 May , 2015 Posted 15 May , 2015 Red Uniforms fazed out around 1880. My Gt Grandfather got his in India in 1880 after Zulu War. (he was King's Own) Steve M
Malc Knowles Posted 15 May , 2015 Author Posted 15 May , 2015 Thank you both Steve knowing you are the Sherwood's expert and that you have helped me in the past are you aware of any further information that might be available on this old soldier ? Richard Thank you, yes I was aware. Alexander was the cousin of John and Percy. Interestingly Alexander's younger brother Frederick survived the war and won the DCM and MM. His DCM was awarded for the same action that Fred Greaves won his VC the citations are virtually identical. The Carlile's certainly paid a heavy price. Regards Malc
stevem49 Posted 16 May , 2015 Posted 16 May , 2015 Sorry Malc, I am only 'expert' on one battalion and know a bit about others. His service papers should be available though. I got my Gt Grandfathers a number of years ago from National Archives. He served 1878 -1884. He also came from near your man - Muston (the family lived in Orston for a number of years. In fact we helped pay for the church tower) They may have a list of the numbers online at Archives - (found it) - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documents/research-guides/army-auxiliary-1769-1945.pdf My Gt Grandfather got a pension paid 6 monthly at 'post office' which helped me track him around the country! - http://www.sussexbarn.com/dring/SteveMorse.htm - may help in showing info you can get. Regards Steve
Malc Knowles Posted 18 May , 2015 Author Posted 18 May , 2015 Dave (Heritage plus) Yes I think that is definitely him I have had it confirmed by the family that he was a Quartermaster Sergeant. Many thanks to you. Malc
stevem49 Posted 18 May , 2015 Posted 18 May , 2015 Not on medal rolls as far as I can see. No battalion given on SWB roll either. Recalled to train recruits at home ? Steve
Malc Knowles Posted 18 May , 2015 Author Posted 18 May , 2015 Steve Is this unusual ? As far as I can make out with my limited knowledge he was discharged as medically unfit. Would that entitled him to a Silver Badge ? Would he have retained his Sergeant status from his previous spell with the 95th ? Would he normally have got his WW1 medals ? Malc
stevem49 Posted 18 May , 2015 Posted 18 May , 2015 If he served in a home reserve battalion, then I believe it was usually no medal. He may have medals from other campiagns when a regular with 1st battalion. The majority of ex-regulars I have found kept stripes so they could train the recruits. The SWB was awarded whether he served at home or overseas. Serving soldiers, overseas or home were treated the same and I presume his 'illness' was attributable to service (well it had to be). He was listed as King's Regs - Para 392 xvi - no longer fit for military service (wounds or serious illness) Acting CQMS, so not sure if paid or not - depends on how long he got it prior to leaving. Hope that helps Steve
Malc Knowles Posted 19 May , 2015 Author Posted 19 May , 2015 Thanks Steve That's very interesting thank you. I'm told he was in receipt of an Army pension and then joined the Police. Malc
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