gilesc Posted 28 April , 2015 Share Posted 28 April , 2015 You are my last hope of finding out what happened to my family member Thomas Bevan. Born 1887 Salford I have him on the 1911 census as Transcription of text Detail overseas military 1911 Census Bevan Thomas 1888 23 Date April 1911 I also have his number 99692, corps RE, Rank, DVR Medals Victory page 11456 15 Star page 2331 Theatre of war first served in. W France Entry therein 07/11/15 He must have survived the war as he married in Salford May 1918. He also registered as an Absent Voter; 1918 North Division, Salford, Lancs. Qualifying premises 43,School Street Polling District N Q Description of service: 99692_, RE Register: Absent Voter List 1918, Entry 6523. I have checked all the obvious docs but found nothing. Probably his service record was thrown away or burnt in 1940. Do your members have any further advice for me? Regards Carolyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burlington Posted 28 April , 2015 Share Posted 28 April , 2015 He must have survived the war as he married in Salford May 1918. Carolyn Not necessarily the case. Death due to service, and recognition by the CWGC, goes up to 1923 (or 1922, can't remember!). Only if you can prove he was alive after those dates can you assume that he survived. There are 17 Thomas Bevans who are listed by the CWGC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Posted 28 April , 2015 Share Posted 28 April , 2015 Difficult without a service record but a possible date of enlistment may be found by matching close numbers in the Silver War Badge Records. Names might then reveal existing service records, tho' the Blitz makes this a long shot. For instance: 99683 Chas Jevons 26.05.15 99699 Edward Mitchell 29.05.15 99707 Albert Snowden 31.05.15 99712 Harry Chamberlain 03.06.15 Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Posted 28 April , 2015 Share Posted 28 April , 2015 And by checking numbers in the service records on Ancestry you can get quite close to what may have happened to Thomas on enlistment. Conjecture of course. John Kelly (99696), who worked in a dyeing company in Stockport, enlisted in Manchester on 29th May 1915 and joined the 201st (County Palantine) Field Company of the RE as here in the 30th Division. He was discharged due to illness in February 1919. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 28 April , 2015 Share Posted 28 April , 2015 Hi Carolyn, Transcription of text Detail overseas military 1911 Census Bevan Thomas 1888 23 Date April 1911 I'm not sure that is your man. There is a Thomas Bevan (in the 1911 Census) age 23, serving with the Welch Regiment in Egypt, but his birth place is shown as St Helens, Swansea. On the 1914/15 Star Medal Roll for your Thomas, it shows that he was discharged to the 'Z' Reserve on 27th June 1919. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 28 April , 2015 Share Posted 28 April , 2015 Carolyn I have been checking the service numbers in and around Thomas's and checking them again against medal index cards. There are groups of them with disembarkation dates from 7.11.15 to 9.11.15. These coincide with the RE units of 30th Division, a New Army formation. The Field Companies were 200, 201 and 202 (County Palatine) and 30th Divisional Signal Company R.E. All these units hailed from the Lancashire/Cheshire area. TR I have just found that the 30th Divisional Signal Company disembarked in France on the 7th of November, so I think there is a reasonable chance this might be his unit, but I can't be 100% sure of course. They have a War Diary at TNA in WO95/2323/2, or it can be found on Ancestry if you have an account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGM Posted 28 April , 2015 Share Posted 28 April , 2015 You are my last hope of finding out what happened to my family member Thomas Bevan. ................... He must have survived the war as he married in Salford May 1918. ................. Regards Carolyn Following up post #2: The CWGC qualifying dates for First World War commemoration are: : 4th August 1914 to 31st August 1921 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilesc Posted 29 April , 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April , 2015 Good morning everyone, This is so very helpful, I'll start checking all the advice you have given me once I've done my household chores!!! Regards Carolyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilesc Posted 29 April , 2015 Author Share Posted 29 April , 2015 Hello again. I have re checked CGC again for Thomas and he isn't there. I now know what Z reserve now means ( thank you, I am learning so much), but I haven't managed to find him by using his service number and the numbers in the Silver War Badge records. I will read the war diary ( I've read another one and it made me cry). I will be going to Salford Local History Library to check the Electoral Rolls at some point, you never know I might get lucky.. One other thing intrigues me. For William Bevan in the British Army WW1 Service Records, 1914-1920 I found George Bevan as being registered as an Absent Voter from 43 School Street Lower Broughton. Now this is the address which Thomas Bevan used to register himself. William Bevan was not Thomas' father at all and George is not ringing any bells either. George was KIA on 10-APRIL 1918. So this is another branch of the Bevans I have to research. All the very best to you all Carolyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 29 April , 2015 Share Posted 29 April , 2015 Hi Carolyn, In the 1901 Census,http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/7814/LANRG13_3720_3722-0891/23362890?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3duki1901%26so%3d2%26pcat%3d35%26gss%3dangs-c%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn%3dthomas%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dbevan%26gsln_x%3d1%26gskw%3dsalford%26gskw_x%3d1%26cpxt%3d1%26cp%3d11%26MSAV%3d0%26uidh%3drc2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults living in Broughton are William Bevan and his wife Jessie, with children: Robert - age 18Lillie - age 16Thomas - age 14James - age 12Jessie - age 9Elizabeth - age 7George - age 5Mary - age 3, andWilliam - age 1All of the family are shown as being born in Salford Soldiers Effects http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/60506/42511_6129999_0126-00168/255140?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3dUKArmyRegistersEffects%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26msT%3d1%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln%3dbevan%26gsln_x%3d1%26msddd%3d10%26msddd_x%3d1%26msddm%3d4%26msddm_x%3d1%26msddy%3d1918%26msddy_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d0%26uidh%3drc2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults shows that the father of George that died on 10th April 1918 was William. It also shows the same regiment (Border Regiment) and Service Number (19241) as listed against the George in the Absent Voters List at 43, School Street. RegardsChris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilesc Posted 5 May , 2015 Author Share Posted 5 May , 2015 Boo, hoo,hoo. Wrong Bevan!!!!!!! The Bevans of 43 School Street were uncle and cousins of "my" particular Bevan and he and his family family lived at 53 School Street. All the Bevans lived cheek by jowl even when I was a child. Thank you so much for the time you have taken to help me. All the best Carolyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 5 May , 2015 Share Posted 5 May , 2015 Hi Carolyn, in the 1911 Census, #53 wasn't occupied by any Bevan's http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2352/rg14_23983_0327_03/24168913?backurl=http%3a%2f%2fsearch.ancestry.co.uk%2fcgi-bin%2fsse.dll%3fdb%3d1911england%26gss%3dsfs28_ms_r_db%26new%3d1%26rank%3d1%26gsfn_x%3d1%26gsln_x%3d1%26gskw%3d43%2bschool%2bstreet%2bsalford%26gskw_x%3d1%26MSAV%3d0%26uidh%3drc2&ssrc=&backlabel=ReturnSearchResults. Presumably the Steel's/Craig's that were there are related to the "Steel, Craig" that appears on the AVL at that address. If your Thomas were still a resident of Salford, have you ruled out 27202 Thomas Harold Bevan of the 16th (Service) Battalion, Manchester Regiment of 8, Young Street on the AVL for the Southern Division of Salford? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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