Register of Effects reference ?

[WillEll]

Please can anyone help explain or otherwise interpret what is meant by the entry in the last column of this Register of Effects

i.e "No. of list in which advertised" ??

To what is it referring and can anyone make sense of what this one actually says ???

I cant make head nor tail of it so would be enormously grateful for any help, thank you

[David_Underdown]

Looks like it could be roman numerals. Lists of soldiers' effects awaiting claim (father could have moved or died) did appear in the London Gazette, so that would seem like a starting point.

[WillEll]

Thank You David, you have put a different interpretation into my way of thinking.

I was assuming that this document was a record of the unpaid wages and Army gratuity having actually been paid to the Father (Robert E) ?

If I get what you are saying then it is actually a record of what SHOULD happen, and to whom, but was then 'advertised' in the Gazette because it had not been claimed by the rightful person ?

The 'approved warrant-5070' was sent mid July 1919 and the 'authority' was agreed in Sept the following year by the looks of it.

You suggest that there may have been a notice ("advertised"?) in the Gazzette, any indicator as to where and when to start looking please?.

I also understand that the 'warrant' would have been in the form of a 'money order' sent to the recipient, by post I presume ?

Is there any definitive way of determining the exact outcome,whether it was claimed or otherwise ?

[spof]

Can you provide a name? I have the indexes for the Gazette up to the end of 1920 which may help.

[WillEll]

Hi SPOF, The name, in full, is William James Ellison but he is remembered as William in nearly all documents except this one where he is known by his middle initial 'J'.

Would be marvellous if you could find anything for me, thanks.

[spof]

I'm afraid I've had no luck searching from 1918 - 1920. Given that we are talking about both the legal and military spheres, I would not be surprised if it was advertised zfter 1920. You could try various searxches on the Gazette site - https://www.thegazette.co.uk

While I agree about the Roman numerals, why would they not use M instead of using lots of Cs?

[David_Underdown]

The lists appear to be published as a result of the Regimental Debts Act 1893 - https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/notice?sort-by=latest-date&text=%22Regimental+Debts+Act%22&location-distance-1=1&categorycode-all=all&numberOfLocationSearches=1&results-page-size=10 searching on "Soldier's Effects" or "Soldier's Balances" also brings up some results. The list references do indeed seem to be expressed in Roman Numerals around the first world war period, but I've not managed to trace the one listed here (either as CCCCCCXII or DCXII - M is thousand, D five hundred, these are somewhat later inventions, not clear whether the Romans actually used them, and they are not always used)

[WillEll]

Thanks for your efforts David, I agree that it refers to a particular gazette listing under the Regimental Debts Act 1893

I have likewise tried to match these figures with a publication and failed equally.

I would have guessed that this listing might have been published circa 1919/1920 and yet there appears to be only the one gazette available for 1920 and that in early January.

I dont suppose it would have told me much more than I have learned from the register entry anyhow ?

I expect this puzzle will have to remain exactly that, just another puzzle in a much greater jigsaw?

I live in hope of completing it one day.

Thanks again.

[Glen]

Apologies for the delayed reply, I found the post whilst searching for something else!

They are Roman numerals and read CCCCCXXII This list was published in the London Gazette on 29 April 1919. The list starts on page 5328

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/31315/page/5328

and your man is on page 5330. As the effects were paid (to father Robert) it can be assumed that a claim was made

[WillEll]

Finally pieced the puzzle together.

Basically,Robert E (Father) and his wife had parted about 1910 as far as I can determine, and it looked very much as if he had been lost at sea during 1908.

Both of his daughters had married (1917&1926) and had declared their father as "deceased" for their own nefarious purposes it now seems.

That was the mystery ?.

How could he have collected Williams effects if he were indeed "deceased"?

I have now discovered from the 1939 register where he was living at that time and now know that his life ended in 1940 at the age of 80 after having lived in the attic of his eldest Daughter for the final 15 years of his existence.

This has helped me to discover his Grand Daughter who has since revealed to me that he never left that room in all of that time.

A sad & tragic end to a colorful existence.

Still none the wiser as to what happened to Williams medals though ?

A big Thank you everyone for all your helpful contributions.