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Remembered Today:

Second Lieutenant Peter Tyrie Duff, 5th South Lancashires


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As part of my research into the names of the fallen on the Perth Academy War Memorial I am looking for information on the above named. The information I have at the moment is: Born at John o' Groats, Wick. Son of Mr and Mrs A. Duff, the Schoolhouse, Milnathort, Kinross-shire. Killed 20th September 1918. Buried in Houchin British Cemetery, France. The school are producing a Roll of Honour and holding remembrance services on the 100th Anniversary of the death of each of the individuals named. Any personal information, however brief, would add something to the story of the person behind the name, and would be very much appreciated.

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Here's a transcribed extract from the War Diary for the 20th September 1918, though Duff isn't named in it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tgitw2s1twduxr7/SLR_1-5Bn_WarDiaryV3_extract.pdf?dl=0

In addition to that action, the diary reports,

"B & D Coys attacked (Narrative attached). Relieved by 1/10 th K.L.R. and moved back into Brigade Reserve."

CWGC reports 12 men of the battalion dying on that date (With Duff the only Officer), though the narrative only reports 6 OR killed and 8 missing. I assume that Duff was one of the three officers initially reported as "wounded", dying later that same day.

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Many thanks Stephen. I will attempt to condense the very detailed information you have given me. At the moment I have no personal information about Peter Duff's life. I will now be able include some of his story of on his page on the school Roll of Honour. Information like this is invaluable in helping the pupils appreciate that there is a story behind every one of the names on the memorial. The services are consequently much more personal and meaningful for those involved.I also visited your website via the link. I will leave a comment in your guestbook when I get a chance.

Once again many thanks,

Dave

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Hi Dave,

Map showing 1/5th South Lancs dispositions at 8 a.m. on 20 September. And below that, an extract concerning the attack from 55 Division's daily Intelligence Summary. (Square 29 is directly below 23)

regards,

Kevin

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Hi Kevin,

Many thanks for the information. As I said before I will be able to share this information with the pupils on the school memorial group. It will all help to give them a feel for the lives of these men during The Great War, and how things were co-ordinated. A group of pupils will also be attending a battlefields tour shortly and, if you don't mind, I will also pass this on to the teacher in charge of the trip.

Regards,

Dave

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Thanks Dave, I appreciate the message

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Hi Kevin,

Many thanks for the information. As I said before I will be able to share this information with the pupils on the school memorial group. It will all help to give them a feel for the lives of these men during The Great War, and how things were co-ordinated. A group of pupils will also be attending a battlefields tour shortly and, if you don't mind, I will also pass this on to the teacher in charge of the trip.

Regards,

Dave

Absolutely fine with that, Dave. Anything that can enrich the Great War in a classroom has got to be a good thing! They're the next generation of historians. 55 Division's battalions were ordered to apply pressure against the enemy, but not to get embroiled in a full-scale assault, or suffer high casualties in the process. Division believed that the enemy were going to be carrying out a planned withdrawal (possibly to the Haute Deule Canal) and wanted to pressurize them as much as possible to hinder future defensive plans. The Google Earth overlay below shows some of these positions more clearly, though the markings are relevant to actions by 1/5th King's Own, (who are the subject of the second part of my trilogy on the TF battalions of that regiment), rather than the South Lancs. They were relieved by 1/5th South Lancs on the night of 16/17 September. The extract below describes the problems King's Own had pushing forward against the enemy on 16 September- I'm presuming that South Lancs continued against these same positions.

On 16 September, C Company made yet another attempt to force the junction between Serpent and Spook Trenches, but once again were brought up short by bombing and MG fire. A Company however, was able to push forward further. One patrol managed to enter a cemetery to the south of the Rue de Marais but had to withdraw when they came under MG fire from some houses 100 yards to their east. Later on in the morning, one of the battalion snipers moved up and shot two Germans there who were manning an MG on a house roof. Enemy artillery was very vigorous and shelled the battalion’s positions regularly throughout the day, though without result. That night, 1/5th South Lancs relieved them and they moved back to reserve.

The main problem in taking the junction of Serpent and Spook was a very strongly held block at 50°33'20.90"N 2°46'39.30"E . The MG position on the roof of the house on the right of the push was at 50°32'54.70"N 2°46'58.60"E.

regards,

Kevin

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1/5th South Lancs diary for the week. SUpports Kevin's comments but not much detail, I'm afraid.

12th September 1918

Relieved by the 1/5th K.O.(R. Lan. R.) and Battn moved into Support, i.e. VILLAGE LINE

13th September 1918

Normal Day

14th September 1918

Normal Day

15th September 1915

Normal Day

16th September 1918

Relieved 1/5 K.O. (R. Lan. R.) in Outpost Line

17th September 1918

Normal Day

CWGC Casualties for 17th

Pte 22319 John BENNETT

Rfn 54063 Henry Arthur Packer DUNN

Rfn 54065 Reginald Arthur EVANS

18th September 1918

Normal Day

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