Doctord84 Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 I've just received from the National Archives a copy of the surviving service record for the above, who was in the 1/1st East Riding Yeomanry, It includes his court martial on the charge of drunkeness (he was found guilty and dismissed from the service). The text includes the following: - MFA B 4654 July 11 [1917] sentence of jemima sudducee dismissal awarded to lardome 2/Lieut f e audas first E. Riding Yorks Yeo, general court martial June 29, vacitroupe by cracitando on jicotera. July 3 1917 confirmed promulgated jecuscula. Can anyone shed any light on the more obscure (to me anyway) bits of phraseology please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin W Taylor Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 It may be best to post a picture of the offending section of text for members to help explain. Handwriting can be dificult to read at times. Regards Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 Is there a latin scholar in the house? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctord84 Posted 25 March , 2015 Author Share Posted 25 March , 2015 Scan of the relevant page attached. I've tried a few glossaries of Latin court terms, but didn't come across any of these. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 I think they are code words with the correct word written in above. Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 I think it should read as the following: In "code" as telegraphed: MFA B 4654 jemima [1917] sudducee awarded to lardome f e audas first vacitroupe by cracitando on jicotera 1917. confirmed promulgated jecuscula 1917. Actual message: MFA B 4654 July 11 [1917] sentence of dismissal awarded to 2/Lieut f e audas first E. Riding Yorks Yeo, by general court martial on June 29, confirmed promulgated July 3 1917 Coded parts and replacements in Bold Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 I think they are code words with the correct word written in above. By the way, is this the same man who was later killed with the special brigade, RE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 Little stick men (reversed or otherwise) tend to be a little less elementary.... Some you just see straight away and others will stump you forever.... Steve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stiletto_33853 Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 From FGCM Officers ledger 1914-17. Quite a large register so the two halves of the relevant section covering two pages on 2 images. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Loader Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 This may be obvious to all but me, but WHY would a court martial record need to be coded at all? I doubt the enemy would glean much of value from it if it fell into their hands. Thanks for anyone who can explain this to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaforth78 Posted 25 March , 2015 Share Posted 25 March , 2015 I think that there was a real lawyer who rejoiced in legal Latin among the officers on the court martial who couldn't help himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctord84 Posted 25 March , 2015 Author Share Posted 25 March , 2015 In "code" as telegraphed: Ah yes, that would make sense, though quite bizarre to go to those lengths in such a context, when a plain statement would seem all that was necessary. I had wondered if it was a polite legalese for "dismissed due to drunkeness". Many thanks! From FGCM Officers ledger 1914-17. Quite a large register so the two halves of the relevant section covering two pages on 2 images. Much obliged for that Andy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctord84 Posted 25 March , 2015 Author Share Posted 25 March , 2015 By the way, is this the same man who was later killed with the special brigade, RE? I think he must be; I've only come across one Frederick Ernest Audas in censuses, BMDs etc. So maybe he got over whatever demons had been troubling him? This is he by the way (in the album of Robert Spence Stephenson, ERYC Archives collection. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctord84 Posted 26 March , 2015 Author Share Posted 26 March , 2015 I'm sure I read somewhere that alleged drunkeness accounted for 15% of court martials in the British Army during the war. Presumably more officers than men, as the former would find it easier to get access to the stuff. What's the best source for a good general read on court martials in the period please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loader Posted 27 March , 2015 Share Posted 27 March , 2015 Do you mean to tell me that a serving British officer...........? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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