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This guy is foxing many, we can only go by the info but it has, as I say, foxed many, this was sent to a military historian friend of mine who is also stumped. Any Ideas Gentlemen.

This is the info we received:-

Can anyone advise how to find a 'war dead' from your school memorial without finding any records in the school's archives of the person in question other than a snippet in Old Felstedian Nov 1919 Vol XLIII No. 391, 'Old Felstedian and the Wars':-

Gunner C. Bond R.F.A. died 1917 (Servant/Butler at Felsted School)

We have checked R.F.A, CWGA, Ancestry, N.A. and Forces War. No C.Bond is so far recorded under C.Bond as Gunner with R.F.A..

We have taken in consideration C could be a middle name, but still no joy.

My question is this:

How would you present his entry in a WWI book or should he be an entered at all?
Any ideas or guideline will be most appreciated

Thats it gents if someone wants a challenge.

I will of course pass on credit for anyone who can help us

Many thanks

Terry

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"We have checked R.F.A, CWGA, Ancestry, N.A. and Forces War. No C.Bond is so far recorded under C.Bond as Gunner with R.F.A.. "

WO 372/2/203772

Medal card of Bond, C Corps Regiment No Rank Royal Field Artillery 9th Brigade 75935 Gunner

Can anyone see his first name in the medal rolls

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His MIC indicates that he entered theatre on 14.10.14 and shows the award of 14 Star but no details for others.

For 9th. Brigade RFA see: http://www.1914-1918.net/rfa_units_9.html

Coincidently FMP shows an Essex Memorial Transcription death of C. Bond, Felsted School in 1914.

Dave

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Gentlemen, what can I say, Thank you for your efforts and success. I have learned a lot about searching with FMP today, Thank you Heritage Plus didn't know they did those records.

I think you can see why it has been a struggle, he is not listed in Great War Casualties or in CWGC. only having the 1914 medal and no more could it be that he has got lost. I will go back to the school direct and honour the find to yourselves and ask a few more questions if I can.

thank you for the info.

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It is possible he has got lost. Please keep us up to date with anything you may find out.

Is there anything about his home background in the school records? If we knew where his family lived - maybe that is where he died....

Do you know his year of birth. That would really help.

CGM

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His MIC indicates that he entered theatre on 14.10.14 and shows the award of 14 Star but no details for others.

..........................

Coincidently FMP shows an Essex Memorial Transcription death of C. Bond, Felsted School in 1914.

Dave

Death in 1914 would explain why he was only awarded the 14 Star.

I wonder where 1917 came from.

CGM

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Just reading this thread - sorry if I'm missing something here, but why are you linking 75935 C. Bond RFA with the Felsted casualty? There are loads of Gnr. C. Bonds who served in the RFA.

Edit: Just to be clear, the fact that there isn't anyone answering this description on CWGC means that you should proceed with caution. He may not have been recorded because he may have died after having been discharged, and his family or friends may have linked his death to his army service, but that may not necessarily have been the case. A qucik check on TNA suggests to me that there is a very large number of possible candidates among the MIC's. And if he served in the UK only then he might not even have an MIC. More info is required - does the school know anything more about him?

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Just looking at him because the school has been looking for a gunner C BOND of the RFA.

This is the only one found so far.

More evidence is needed before we know it is the same man - .....

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Death in 1914 would explain why he was only awarded the 14 Star.

CGM

No sorry, what explains it is he is on the RAMC Medal Rolls:-

Charles BOND

9873 Worcestershire Regiment

75935 RFA

97945 RAMC

(There is also an mic indexed under the RAMC)

His 1914 Star is on the RFA Rolls dated 10 April 1918 (browsing the entries it looks like they were pretty good noting 'died etc' in the Remarks column. I suspect he survived.

Ken

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I was editing my last post while CGM and Ken were posting. There are LOTS of Gnr. C. Bonds among the MIC's. Felsted produced various school registers and certainly included a Roll of Honour, but I seem to recall that it was only a list of names without service details. The school magazine should record a member of staff who was killed or who died. That needs to be the first port of call.

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When I said that there were LOTS of 'Gnr. C. Bond's RFA' among the MIC's, I've reviewed and found that it was 'only' 7 - none of whom appear to be listed on CWGC. And he might not have an MIC, of course.

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We now have:

1) Died 1917

Old Felstedian Nov 1919 Vol XLIII No. 391, 'Old Felstedian and the Wars':-

Gunner C. Bond R.F.A. died 1917 (Servant/Butler at Felsted School)

2) Died 1914

Coincidently FMP shows an Essex Memorial Transcription death of C. Bond, Felsted School in 1914.( #4 HERITAGE PLUS)

#6 I asked Is there anything about his home background in the school records? If we knew where his family lived - maybe that is where he died....

Do you know his year of birth. That would really help.

And it's worth repeating that at the moment we don't know what the Felsted C stands for.

So, early days yet.

CGM

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Charles BOND

9873 Worcestershire Regiment

75935 RFA

97945 RAMC

This chap seems unlikely unfortunately - he has records on Ancestry that have him as Charles Henry - enlisted in Malvern in April 1906 aged 18years 2 months.Wesleyan - a Draper's porter.

Looks to have stayed in the army through till discharge in 1919 (Home/India/France/Mesopotamia/India/Mesopotamia/Home) so little opportunity to have worked at the school

After the war he operated with his wife the Temperance Hotel, Colwall, near Malvern - according to a letter on file

Cheers

Sue

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Hi Gents sorry been trying for more info, this is all they have.

Terence

Hi

it was not CWGC as I indicated but Forces War Records.

This was a reply from Forces War Records Customer Care:

National Archives holds a Medal Card for a Gunner C. Bond RFA, 9th Brigade (service no.75935). THIS IS NOT A CASUALTY OF WW1.
The details you have provided for:
C. Bond, Rank: Gunner, NO: 75935 Regt.: Royal Field Artillery

Was not a casualty of WW1.

Kind Regards,
Forces War Records Customer Care



I have attached a copy of the war memorial panel and the only logged archive of C.Bond from the of Felstedian Cover Nov 1919. I was advised it is possible that the C was a middle name. Other than that we have nothing else to go by. Servants were not all recorded by name and as they were paid in cash their House Master would pay them. Accounts records only state stewards wage with a House Master named. We have simply estimated employment years as 1911-1914 though we do not know when he was employed and for how long.

From the Chapel list reading in 1919 his name was not listed and so we are led to believe the memorial panel was placed later with all other masters and servants/butlers. He was not in 1911 Felsted census or any other Bonds

We have no other information to go by.

Going to put the next picture on a the next log

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first one

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here are the other two from the school

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I have not found anyone living around the local area who has the C Bond or a bond at all that fits the bill.

this really is a tough one. Ok not the 1914 guy. must be someone else then. :) i could understand that.

Any others can help please

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Try looking at a Voting/Electoral Register, Spring or Autumn 1914 would be best. The nearest main library or archive might have one. He might show up on that.

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The Essex Record Office has the ELECTORAL registers for Maldon (or Eastern) Division covering the parishes of .........and FELSTED, for 1914 and 1915.

It would also have copy of the Essex Memorial Transcription for the death of C. Bond, Felsted School in 1914 mentioned above. (Worth a check at the same time, I would think)

CGM

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As well as the material in the Essex Record Office (there is an on-line search index called SEAX by the way) there are microfilm copies of the Chelmsford weekly News and Chronicle for the Great War years in the Local History Collection of Chelmsford Library.

Best regards.

SPN
Maldon

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Given the apparent casual nature of the employment of servants I wonder if the 'C' is accurate (my father in law was known as Jim all his life but his initials were W.H.!).

As you probably know there are ten Bonds (RFA) on CWGC for 1917, only one with an obvious Essex connection http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/2894303/but I doubt it was him as he was working as a groom in Rottingdean In 1911.

FMP also has the Essex Casualty lists printed in the Chelmsford Chronicle but a manual search for 1917 would be a bit of a slog.

Ken

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............. a manual search for 1917 would be a bit of a slog.

Ken

Particularly as there are sooo many entries for War Bonds and the J G Bond Ltd. Department Store !!

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Try looking at a Voting/Electoral Register, Spring or Autumn 1914 would be best. The nearest main library or archive might have one. He might show up on that.

He is unlikely to have qualified for the Electoral Register. Apart from the strong possibility that he was under 21 in 1914, it is often overlooked that the pre-1918 male vote was essentially a householder vote. It was not only women who got the vote for the first time in 1918 - a great many men got it for the first time as well.

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