Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 5 May , 2003 Share Posted 5 May , 2003 Can any of the Pals identify the cap badge on this soldiers cap. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broznitsky Posted 5 May , 2003 Share Posted 5 May , 2003 Gosh, Ian, I tried to download and zoom in, but the resolution I get is not crisp. Does it look like my avatar, 41st Canadien Francais ?? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 5 May , 2003 Share Posted 5 May , 2003 Peter, Don't think so - the top looks as if it is a flaming grenade! Thanks, Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 5 May , 2003 Share Posted 5 May , 2003 i have tried to enhance it and it looks a bit clearer but not much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armourersergeant Posted 5 May , 2003 Share Posted 5 May , 2003 well i have a clue ....I think its allied!!!!!...now ive helped you its upto someone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broznitsky Posted 6 May , 2003 Share Posted 6 May , 2003 Ian, when you look at his uniform, can you tell immediately whether it is British Army or Canadian/other? I am new to this and his uniform looks like it could be Cdn to me, but are there any tell-tale signs for a newcomer to watch out for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sweeney Posted 21 May , 2003 Share Posted 21 May , 2003 The uniform is British. Canadian jackets had 7 buttons up to 1917 when Canada officially adopted the 5 button pattern for manfacture. Wartime Canadian manufactured 5 button jackets, which are extremely rare, have all small buttons (40 line) instead of the British 60 line. Those are 60 line buttons down the front. However, the CEF became almost totally dependent on British uniform supply in later part of the war. So Canadians, especially those in France, were almost 100% British equipped. Canadian uniforms rarely made it out of the replacement units in England. So an even more valid question would be do you think it is a Canadian or British soldier? I believe it to be a British soldier. First indication is that the wear of collar brass was almost universal with the Canadians and almost never worn by the British on the Service Dress jacket. As for the cap badge? Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 21 May , 2003 Share Posted 21 May , 2003 Thanks everyone - the mystery continues. I have read through several books on cap badges but to no avail. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raster Scanning Posted 21 May , 2003 Share Posted 21 May , 2003 To me it looks to be a prancing pony or gazelle but as to the unit I have no idea. John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 21 May , 2003 Share Posted 21 May , 2003 Staring at it for HOURS... it went like a magic eye... I think the previously reported 'Crown' is a flaw either on the negative or print made to a card - I think it's the The King's (Liverpool Regiment) as it was pre-1921. The old 8th Foot. Looking for a picture that's usable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 22 May , 2003 Share Posted 22 May , 2003 Phil, Thanks I will ask Joe next time I see him. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt York Posted 22 May , 2003 Share Posted 22 May , 2003 I think the previously reported 'Crown' is a flaw either on the negative or print made to a card - I think it's the The King's (Liverpool Regiment) as it was pre-1921. The old 8th Foot. Staffsyeoman, you've convinced me, I can see it very clearly now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broznitsky Posted 22 May , 2003 Share Posted 22 May , 2003 Canadian jackets had 7 buttons up to 1917 when Canada officially adopted the 5 button pattern for manfacture. Joe, is there any particular text that you can recommend for a uniform "newbie," detailing tips and tricks for identification? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Sweeney Posted 22 May , 2003 Share Posted 22 May , 2003 Peter, Try "Khaki - Uniforms of the CEF", Clive M. Law. It is out of print but occasionally copies come up on Ebay. Joe S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broznitsky Posted 23 May , 2003 Share Posted 23 May , 2003 Yes Joe, thanks for that. My city library has that book, but it is "on reserve," meaning I can't take it out on loan. I guess I'll get some coins together and go down and photocopy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt York Posted 24 May , 2003 Share Posted 24 May , 2003 The King's (Liverpool Regiment) as it was pre-1921. The old 8th Foot. I've attached examples of the cap badge worn by the 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th Bns 'Liverpool Pals' and the 'White Horse of Hanover' cap badge worn by the regular bns and the 5th, 7th, 9th bns(TF) of the King's (Liverpool Rgt). The 'Pals' cap badge was the family crest of Lord Derby - The Eagle and Child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annette Burgoyne Posted 24 May , 2003 Share Posted 24 May , 2003 Hi Ian I looked at this when you first posted it, and did not have a clue. I've just looked at it again and I am sure I've seen that symbol some where before, but I not sure, this sounds daft but it looks like the symbol for the Isle of Man or Isle of something ? did they have a military unit of any kind ? Or do I need glass. Annette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt York Posted 24 May , 2003 Share Posted 24 May , 2003 Annette, The Isle of Man had the 7th (Isle of Man) Volunteer Battalion, the only surviving Vol. Bn. after the formation of the TF in 1908. A company was formed and posted to 16th Bn King's (Liverpool Rgt) in 1915. The company was eventually transferred to the 3rd Cheshire becoming the 1st Manx (Service) Coy. In 1916 the the Coy. joined the 2nd Cheshire at Salonika and became A Coy. of that Bn. Ronnie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ian Bowbrick Posted 24 May , 2003 Share Posted 24 May , 2003 Annette/Ronnie, Thanks - for your inputs. Looks like the lead on the Liverpool Regt is getting hotter! Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 24 May , 2003 Share Posted 24 May , 2003 The Eagle and Child was known to the troops as the Bustard and *******! Later: blimey, my rude word filter is working! I'm sure you can tell what the blanked word is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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