sturgis Posted 10 January , 2015 Share Posted 10 January , 2015 Hi All I have these portraits and would like to find out who this officer is ? Pre MBE Artillery and Coronation Gold Staff Officer in the West Riding Regt. I have studied and I think its the same man ? Any help appreciated.Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 10 January , 2015 Share Posted 10 January , 2015 I don't think it is the same man. If you are saying the pic on the left was taken ww1 then he does not appear to have age in around 35yrs. Also his left earlobe in the pic on the left looks bigger which usually occurs with age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 10 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2015 Deffo the same man unless he had a twin. The left photo is 1953 Gold Staff Officer in the West Riding Regt at the coronation. I am assuming the arty uniform is pre WW2 as no WW2 medals in 1953 ! The MC for WW1 ? and the MBE late 40's early 50's ? Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 10 January , 2015 Share Posted 10 January , 2015 Neither look WW1. Not being a medal expert I am not so sure the ribbons worn relate to WW1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 10 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2015 Medals are, MBE, Military Cross, 1914 star and bar, BWM, Victory with MID emblem, 1937 coronation. Campaign and MC deffo WW1 with MBE i would guess post WW2. Not saying either pic is WW1. Just that he has WW1 service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 10 January , 2015 Share Posted 10 January , 2015 The ribbon bar shown in the photo on the right appears to match the medals being worn in the photo on the left, which look to be from left to right Military Cross, WW1 Trio and the 1935 KGV Jubilee medal. In the photograph on the left, the medals being worn are the OBE ( Order of the British Empire ), the Military Cross, the WW1 Trio, and the KGV 1935 Jubilee medal. Perhaps his OBE is QE2. With the ribbon bar containing the 1935 Jubilee Medal, that dates the photographs after 1935. LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 10 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 10 January , 2015 I know the pic is black and white but the tone of the civil award looks silver, same as the MC, so I would say its a civil MBE (guilt for an OBE) and it has to be pre 1953 coronation so George VI issue. The uniform on the left is of a Gold Staff Officer at the 53 coronation. They were the 'ushers' in Westminster Abby (400 of them). Its the ribbon for the 37 coronation not the 35 jubilee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Had a google about and thought I might have found something! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 This one will take a lot of time but you may narrow him down by his awards? http://www.unithistories.com/officers/Army_officers_B02.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 11 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Yep, I found that too but it doesnt list the 400 Gold Staff Officers! There are only 4 Majors on that list and I have checked them out and its not them. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 11 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Jeez ...what a list!...I dont think he would have had WW2 service unless home guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 A line to West Riding Regiment museum or HQ if there is one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Upton Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 The ribbon bar shown in the photo on the right appears to match the medals being worn in the photo on the left, I do not believe the men in the two photographs are the same man because the medals/ribbands actually appear to be different between the two. Note the lack of MBE/OBE on the ribband bar, lack of rosette for the 1914 Star's Bar, lack of MiD emblem for the VM. Also the last medal ribband on the right photo is for the Special COnstabulary Long Service Good Conduct Medal - not for the Coronation Medal as on the left.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 11 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2015 The ribbon pattern could easily also be the prison service or ambulance service LSGC's, but seeing that this appears to be a regular army officer (no territorial decorations) I would bank on it being the coronation, as I doubt weather a career officer would have the time to get long service awards for other services. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Hello Rich I don't think they are the same man ! The Duke's Officer is Major C W G Ince. The other chap is Royal Artillery. Regards Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battiscombe Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Maj CWG Ince OBE MC was a retired officer in 1939 at war office.. in 1914 a Lt in 2Bn Duke of Wellingtons.. the RA Major must indeed be someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Just to add his Christian names, and to add that he died June 26 1966. Army List, December 31st 1939 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 11 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2015 How do we know its him ? Is he on a list if coronation officials ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 An enlargement of the medal group shown in the photograph on the left, along with the KGV Jubilee Medal and the KGVI Coronation Medal for comparison, and the medal on the far right of the group does look to be the KGVI Coronation Medal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigronhartley Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Hello He is mentioned in the 'Ironduke' as a Gold Staff Officer at the 1937 Coronation. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 11 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Great..I think I have solved it. He is one of three brothers who all won the MC in WW1. Cecil William Gason Ince LG 14/6/1916, Dike of Wellingtons Regiment (West Riding) Norman Sedgwick Ince LG 1/1/1918, Manchester regement Douglas Edward Ince LG 1/1/1918 (same gazette), Durham Light Infantry I have checked out the censuses and gazettes, it all correlates. Cecil is confirmed at the 1937 coronation thanks to 'ironduke'. Douglas is confirmed as relinquishing commission in 1929 and retaining rank of major and then receiving the Officers Territorial Decoration in 1950 in the Royal Artillery. Pity I cant find a picture of Norman! I found an earlier thread where the brothers were discussed.. http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=154497 Cecil is listed as an assistant secretary in the War Office in 1940 as a Lt.Col. so I guess him and Douglas would have got their WW2 medals also! So the photos are by my guess between 1937 and 1945. Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 So the pictures are different men? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 11 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Yes ! Ha ha..but you have to admit they are almost alike! I have the original large format photos here and everybody I have shown them to said they must be the same man. The uniform and medal subtleties were throwing me and I was trying to make a correlation between them. Would be nice to dig up a couple more photos of each to see! This is the fun of research. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnboy Posted 11 January , 2015 Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Not to my eye they aren't! Re post #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sturgis Posted 11 January , 2015 Author Share Posted 11 January , 2015 Just saying that, disregarding the uniforms and medals, the persons in these 2 photos are very alike. Initially I thought the same. Same chin, lips, moustache, nose, eyes, mouth. The only difference possibly would be the back of the ear. There is 7 years between my and my younger brother and we look very similar (with another bro in the middle who doesnt!) Guess that these Ince brothers were very similar too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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