trajan Posted 3 April , 2018 Share Posted 3 April , 2018 I think you are just back from work, dear friend... Have a beer...! But what is the award on the second photograph? Same man, a bit more experienced and jaundiced by it all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 3 April , 2018 Share Posted 3 April , 2018 Yes, right, my friend. I just came home... Unfortunately I don´t have beer in my flat, only wine... I haven´t seen that award before, but because of he´s just a simple soldier, I think it´s a carnival award or something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 3 April , 2018 Share Posted 3 April , 2018 How does it go? Bier auf wein dass boese sein, aber wein auf bier dass rat ich dir? Meaning I have done the beer bit an am now on the wine! Why a carnival award though? Were German regulations that relaxed he could do this? Any ideas on the belt? Look forward to all and any observations! Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 3 April , 2018 Share Posted 3 April , 2018 Hi Julian! Correctly it is: Bier auf wein dass lass sein, aber wein auf bier dass rat ich dir . That means: Don´t drink beer when you had wine before, but I advise wine, when you had beer before. In earlier times people thought, that "beer on wine" could cause headaches. But I can proof, that is stupid... To the award I can´t say anything, but it looks like a high one, so not usually for an enlisted man. Maybe a post 19 photo? No idea... sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 3 April , 2018 Share Posted 3 April , 2018 (edited) Hi Julian, I think you have a rare bird there. The starshaped award on his left (our right) side could well be a rare Freikorps award. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_Star Best, GreyC Edited 3 April , 2018 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 3 April , 2018 Share Posted 3 April , 2018 (edited) Here for comparison from my collection. Maybe Andreas can help with the connection to the 11FAR. The Freikorps troops eligible for the Bug star were from the 38th Reichswehr Brigade. The artillery units being voluntary batteries 40, 42, 44 und 45. See: http://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/weimarer-republik/bug-stern-der-schutztruppe-bug-vergl-oek-33351.html GreyC Edited 3 April , 2018 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 3 April , 2018 Share Posted 3 April , 2018 Dear GreyC, Good work! Not a Karnevalsorden after all (it was certainly a new one on me!). Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 4 April , 2018 Share Posted 4 April , 2018 (edited) Hello! Oh yes, Bugstern! I didn´t had it on my screen... Great work, Grey C! I couldn´t find a connection to FAR11. The 38th RW-Brigade had the following artillery units: Freiwilligen-Artillerie-Brigade Olita (Batteries 40, 42, 44 and 45) Freiwilligen-Artillerie-Abteilung 12 of Brigade Grodno (3 batteries) Freiwilligen-Artillerie-Abteilung 39 of Freikorps Diebitsch (2 batteries) Feldart.Rgt.11 was disolved 1918 in Kassel and Fritzlar. But what about Resreve-Feldartillerie-Regiment 11? They came from Breslau and Schweidnitz (Silesia). They built a Freiwilligen-Detachement of the "Grenzschutz-Ost" Edited 4 April , 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 4 April , 2018 Share Posted 4 April , 2018 Wow! I have never come across a Bug-Star before! Thanks Grey C!!! I had a feeling he might have been a Freikorps man - but as he had the two cockades assumed that wasn't the case... We live and we learn" I followed the link to Wikki which led to http://www.ehrenzeichen-orden.de/weimarer-republik/bug-stern-der-schutztruppe-bug-vergl-oek-33351.html and that gave a lengthy text quicky translated and summarised as: “The Schutztruppe Bug, also called Brigade Olita, was founded on 26 March 1919 from members of the 38th Reichswehr Brigade, and commanded by Major General von Passow, with Major Kobe of Keppenfels as its Infamtry leader.specialist. The operational area of the Freikorps was Courland and Lithuania, and it consisted of the volunteer battalions 44 and 42 of 4 companies; volunteer battalion 41 with 3 companies; and volunteer battalions 40 and 41 with 1 company each. The artillery section included volunteer batteries 40, 42, 44 and 45, each with 4 guns and machine guns. There was also a naval, radio, and business. The Bug Star was instituted in 1919 by Major General von Passow, but the exact award regulations are unknown, presumably for bravery as with other Freikorps awards. The Stars were made of silver and of brass, in the form of an eight-pointed star, early examples having an enamelled central medallion, later examples being painted. These medallions had a green laurel wreath surround, and in an inner circle reading “SCHUTZTRUPPE – BUG”, the centre having two crossed swords against a raised background. The award was fixed by a screw disc and counter plate, stamped: D.R.G.M. -/- 653146 –“. The illustrations from that web site are shown here for reference and for comparison with the photographs at posts 1145 and 1156. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 4 April , 2018 Share Posted 4 April , 2018 11 hours ago, The Prussian said: But what about Resreve-Feldartillerie-Regiment 11? They came from Breslau and Schweidnitz (Silesia). They built a Freiwilligen-Detachement of the "Grenzschutz-Ost" Hi, that might be an option! Thank´s for the detailed list, Andy! GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 4 April , 2018 Share Posted 4 April , 2018 You boys are wonderful! Time to sleep here though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 10 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 10 April , 2018 A new one: and a test for your eyes Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 10 April , 2018 Share Posted 10 April , 2018 Hello! An interesting card! What do you mean? The MG-on-wheels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 10 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 10 April , 2018 28 minutes ago, The Prussian said: Hello! An interesting card! What do you mean? The MG-on-wheels? No I meant the writing on the reverse! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 10 April , 2018 Share Posted 10 April , 2018 (edited) Oops, I´m sorry... Hard to read. He writes to Nanni (Nickname for Anna), a photo of the entire 3rd MG-company. Probably GreyC can read more. The 3rd MG-company had been set-up in September 1916. The regiment belonged to the 9th bavarian reserve-division from October 2, 1916 until June, 25, 1918. The card was written in the area east of Craonne, sector La Ville-aux-Bois-lès-Pontavert. There is a "Baptist Schüßler" of bav. RIR14 mentioned in the casualty list as wounded (but I don´t know, if he subscribed with that first name...) He was born in Grafenwöhr (80m east of Nürnberg) http://des.genealogy.net/search/show/840820 Edited 10 April , 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 10 April , 2018 Share Posted 10 April , 2018 Dear All, Here is my contribution. Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 10 April , 2018 Share Posted 10 April , 2018 (edited) Hi, the Bavarian guy from the MG-Kompanie says "thank you" for a letter and a parcel he got from Nanny. On the second photo of the 2nd Abteilung Reserve Feldartillerie Regiment 66 you see some officers and Vizewachtmeister (with the yellow collar plait(?) ) of a battery of this Abteilung with the commanding officier of this battery called Schneider (Batt[e]r[ie|-Führer. GreyC Edited 10 April , 2018 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 14 April , 2018 Share Posted 14 April , 2018 On 6/10/2017 at 00:56, trajan said: 1) I think - off the top of my head! - that white piping of epaulletes is for medics? 2) Guards - Kaiser Franz Garde-Grenadier Regiment 2? I think they were the only ones without a number in the bottom of the monogram. 3) The Litzen say Garde to me, but the lack of a crown suggests a Reserve regiment? Is this also Kaiser Franz Garde-Grenadier Regiment 2? Trajan (#729) commenting on 4th Gordons' (#727) post - images 2 and 3 include the same two men, so reasonable to assume Kaiser Franz Garde-Grenadier Regiment 2. I wonder if the four men shown together in 3 are brothers/related? Found this thread last weekend and have spent many happy hours perusing, and learning a huge amount - thanks all. DJM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 15 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 15 April , 2018 Found a small lot with these in recently: This one has KB 18. IR written on the back in pencil. It was taken by E. Kaempf Neustadta. Haardt Tele 904 (printed). It also has unbekannt written in what looks like a later hand (in ink) on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 15 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 15 April , 2018 Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 15 April , 2018 Share Posted 15 April , 2018 2 hours ago, 4thGordons said: Found a small lot with these in recently: This one has KB 18. IR written on the back in pencil. It was taken by E. Kaempf Neustadta. Haardt Tele 904 (printed). It also has unbekannt written in what looks like a later hand (in ink) on it. Hi, without having seen your annotation I would have said BAVARIAN or SAXON because of the cockade. So it´s the Bavarian 18th Infantry Regiment. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmmann1918 Posted 15 April , 2018 Share Posted 15 April , 2018 Minenwerfer and her crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 15 April , 2018 Author Share Posted 15 April , 2018 A last few from the recent lot - nothing on the reverse of these: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmmann1918 Posted 3 May , 2018 Share Posted 3 May , 2018 (edited) At the post Edited 3 May , 2018 by Sturmmann1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 3 May , 2018 Share Posted 3 May , 2018 (edited) Hi, the last one is interesting, as photographer and sitter are either a bit weary of life or the sign in the background had lost it´s function at the time the photo was taken. It warns that this is a "heavily shelled/fired at spot". "Stark beschossene Stelle". The first photo by 4thGordons seems easily identifiable as the number of the regiment is clearly visible. However, the allocation depends heavily on the date it was taken. It shows somebody who wears a Blauer Rock and who served either with IR, RIR or LIR 31. As RIR and LIR were immobile before 1914 and RIR came togegther only during reserve exercises, Chances are the photo shows somebody from IR 31 which was stationed in Altona, today part of Hamburg, then part of Prussia. If the photo was taken after the outbreak of the war it could show either of the aforementioned units, as usually only the IR´s were clad in field grey at the outset of the war. But wearing the Blauer Rock was still possible for them. GreyC Edited 3 May , 2018 by GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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