Grausig13 Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 On 12/5/2017 at 11:22, trajan said: What got me about this lot though is the Bavarian at the back - first from the right... LEFT! The rest (well, at least those with military headgear!) are emphatically not Bavarian from their State cockades - so why the interloper???... Any chance the other cockades are the m1916 style Bavarian? Range of Bavarian cockades shown from my obsessive variant horde. Otherwise, Bavarians make very pleasant interlopers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grausig13 Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 On 12/27/2017 at 08:19, trajan said: Well, a bunch of Bavarians (large lower cockades)! And my guess - to judge from the Brandenburg piped cuffs - anyone of the BIR 1, 2, 3, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16 or 20.... The card is "To remember the {{Recruiting}} ???-time"...??? Do I detect a crown at the top of a shoulder strap or two, limiting the units to a cipher. Better scan? Since it is less boxish looking lower on the strap, if there is a crown, 10.IR's "L could be hiding in the low resolution. My strap for the regiment, simplified pattern, with a bit of wear: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grausig13 Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 On 1/1/2018 at 16:01, 4thGordons said: Next page: (contains the image above) No5 - with dogs The epaulette on the man on the right shows 14 No7- with unit/date I'll roll with Badisches Pionier Bataillon 14. The strap would not be black until 1915, I believe. It is numbered 14 for the Armee Korps. Baden's army units fall under XIV AK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grausig13 Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 47 minutes ago, The Prussian said: Hello! Here is another one with 21.Korps. He also wears: b.10.Inf.Div., Böhm-Ermolli, Erzherzog Carl This photo will always make me envious, Andy! Fritz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prussian Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 (edited) That I understand very well... Here are two more with 21.Korps Edited 24 February , 2018 by The Prussian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.B. Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 Some really interesting photos and information in this thread. Further to Andy's list in post 1061, here's an original bread bag in my collection marked in the characteristic Bavarian style to 6.J.R. together with BDIII/1917/301 in a stamped box: All the best Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.B. Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 Also, the commonly found feldmutze camouflage band, again from my collection and marked BDIII/1917/201. These show up so often that I 'm assuming a cache of them must have turned up at some point. I've also just acquired this Bavarian pickelhaube marked BDIII/1916/241, but the markings are awkward to photograph -I might try again at some point: All the best Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joerookery Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 Quote It seems to be an Hersteller code. You find a few related items with similar code on them--bayonet frog, belt, ammo pouch with #149. Caps and Pickelhauben with 147, usw. Thanks! What is a Hersteller code? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grausig13 Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 52 minutes ago, joerookery said: Thanks! What is a Hersteller code? Maker's code. There is a missing list that would identify manufacturers or groups of them whose gear was marked as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joerookery Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 Thank you. Does that make Hersteller the only manufacturer? Do the numbers indicate different manufacturers? For instance, why would there be two different numbers for pickles? Who has the comprehensive list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grausig13 Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, joerookery said: Thank you. Does that make Hersteller the only manufacturer? Do the numbers indicate different manufacturers? For instance, why would there be two different numbers for pickles? Who has the comprehensive list? Hersteller is not a maker name--it is the German word for "manufacturer." The lists that would explain this are long lost, so we can only make our own lists to try to make sense of these things. In the sense of Colonel J's, the codes found in Pickelhauben that I have recorded are P.B.'s 241 dated 1916 (also seen on a ball Artillerie Pickelhaube), 147 (1915 + 1916), and 78 (two from 1915). Someone listed a 249 for 1915, but a photo backing it is not known, and the other item numbered 249 is a 1916 overcoat. Also in the interest of not cluttering replies, P.B., you have a few fantastic items. I have the Tarnband, but aspire to get a nicer Brotbeutel since it was reissued and altered in the Reichswehr. (Shown here with grey cloth, dated 1915 with 268) Edited 24 February , 2018 by Grausig13 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.B. Posted 24 February , 2018 Share Posted 24 February , 2018 Thanks so much for posting your bread bag -a nice example with plenty of history. Without taking this too far off topic, I thought that the Bavarian hersteller numbers were a bit like WWII RB numbers on uniforms and equipment which were a security measure so that makers details didn't appear on military equipment...obviously in WWII this had implications for the targeting of manufacturing bases by bombing raids if these items fell into enemy hands. All the best Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmmann1918 Posted 6 March , 2018 Share Posted 6 March , 2018 Crown Prince Wilhelm, unknown date and location. Almost forget I had this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 March , 2018 Share Posted 8 March , 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 12:42, P.B. said: Bavarian cavalry wearing their distinctive tunic: I somehow missed this series. Nice shot of this cavalryman and note that he has an S.84/98. These were in theory being issued to Bavarian cavalry from 9th November 1914 in accordance with a decree from the Großen Hauptquartier of that date which stipulated that "the Unteroffiziere, exclusively the Portepeeunteroffiziere, and the men of the entire cavalry shall replace their Kavalleriedegen with the fixable Seitengewehre 84/98, to be carried in a frog on the right of the belt" - stress added. In practice, most cavalry units began to receive these in Spring 1915. And in all honesty, I had not really noticed this bit about the 'right-side' of the belt until I saw this! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 March , 2018 Share Posted 8 March , 2018 (edited) On 2/24/2018 at 04:12, Grausig13 said: I know this post is old, but I maybe missed a reply covering my opinion. If my eyes see Bavarian lion buttons, which I am uncertain, then the Vereinfachte Waffenrock with Bavarian style simplified cuff is easily identified. Sort of like the Technical Waffenrock cuff, without the button adornment. Fritz. Thanks Fritz - an open thread for all to contribute! I shall look for it and see if I can get a clearer view of the buttons. But the lower cockades look too small and wrong colour for Bayern? Edited 8 March , 2018 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 March , 2018 Share Posted 8 March , 2018 On 2/24/2018 at 06:45, The Prussian said: Hello! Here is another one with 21.Korps. He also wears: b.10.Inf.Div., Böhm-Ermolli, Erzherzog Carl A Bavarian who has been there, done that and got the t-shirt - as it were! Brilliant photograph! And yet one more example, if needed, of those Bayern cockades being bigger and brighter than the usual run of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 March , 2018 Share Posted 8 March , 2018 (edited) On 2/24/2018 at 06:55, Grausig13 said: Any chance the other cockades are the m1916 style Bavarian? Range of Bavarian cockades shown from my obsessive variant horde. Otherwise, Bavarians make very pleasant interlopers! Superb collection if I may so! But in that photograph nothing strikes me as 'blue' - except for the 'interloper'! Have to confess, though, never realised there were so many variants! Edited 8 March , 2018 by trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 8 March , 2018 Share Posted 8 March , 2018 On 2/24/2018 at 07:05, Grausig13 said: Do I detect a crown at the top of a shoulder strap or two, limiting the units to a cipher. Better scan? Since it is less boxish looking lower on the strap, if there is a crown, 10.IR's "L could be hiding in the low resolution. My strap for the regiment, simplified pattern, with a bit of wear: I think you could well be right... Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyC Posted 10 March , 2018 Share Posted 10 March , 2018 Hi, I thought I share this German Hauptmann from my collection with you. GreyC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 11 March , 2018 Share Posted 11 March , 2018 Any help with this one thank you Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themonsstar Posted 11 March , 2018 Share Posted 11 March , 2018 I can not remember where I pick this lot up. last lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 11 March , 2018 Share Posted 11 March , 2018 Dear All, Can anyone match a German Great War photo of a soldier carrying this (binoculars case) sort of equipment? The (initialed) case and binoculars were captured in 1918 by a British soldier... Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturmmann1918 Posted 11 March , 2018 Share Posted 11 March , 2018 1 hour ago, Kimberley John Lindsay said: Dear All, Can anyone match a German Great War photo of a soldier carrying this (binoculars case) sort of equipment? The (initialed) case and binoculars were captured in 1918 by a British soldier... Kindest regards, Kim. Hello, I probably have a few of these photos. Give me a little time, I'll be able to scan one tonight and upload it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 11 March , 2018 Share Posted 11 March , 2018 Dear Sturmmann1918, Super! Many thanks in advance... Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.B. Posted 11 March , 2018 Share Posted 11 March , 2018 On 08/03/2018 at 15:03, trajan said: I somehow missed this series. Nice shot of this cavalryman and note that he has an S.84/98. These were in theory being issued to Bavarian cavalry from 9th November 1914 in accordance with a decree from the Großen Hauptquartier of that date which stipulated that "the Unteroffiziere, exclusively the Portepeeunteroffiziere, and the men of the entire cavalry shall replace their Kavalleriedegen with the fixable Seitengewehre 84/98, to be carried in a frog on the right of the belt" - stress added. In practice, most cavalry units began to receive these in Spring 1915. And in all honesty, I had not really noticed this bit about the 'right-side' of the belt until I saw this! Thanks! Hi Julian Thanks for this. My current bayonet collection consists of one solitary S98/05 and my knowledge of WWI German edged weapons is fairly weak to be honest compared to the uniforms and headgear side of things...time for a book purchase or two, I think. All the best Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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