harvey20 Posted 20 December , 2014 Share Posted 20 December , 2014 One of my ancestors, William Henry Carbines, served in the Navy. I have his seaman record and am struggling to interpret it. Any help would be much appreciated. Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 20 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2014 Sorry, and this snippet! Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 20 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2014 Is the 'Victory' in the 'depot or ship from which discharged' referring to Nelson's ship or was it a port in the UK? Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatherC Posted 20 December , 2014 Share Posted 20 December , 2014 When I was looking at these records I found Googling the ship names very useful http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ships_named_HMS_Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 20 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2014 So HMS Victory could refer to a ship or one of the eight establishments during World War One Thanks for the tip, Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatherC Posted 20 December , 2014 Share Posted 20 December , 2014 The records I have seen for seamen I have researched all mention HMS Victory. It refers to shore training establishments amd/or holding barracks at Portsmouth. Lots of good stuff online about RN shore establishments - e.g. http://www.gwpda.org/naval/rnshore.htm or http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 20 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 20 December , 2014 Thanks, that is really helpful. Do you know what the other lines read? Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeatherC Posted 21 December , 2014 Share Posted 21 December , 2014 HMS Excellent - shore training base HMS Vivid - Devonport base HMS Kinfauns Castle (I think) Collier (Lobelia II) Ratings vary from seamn to leading seaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 21 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 21 December , 2014 So, HMS Kinfauns Castle, I'm guessing, refers to the ship and HMS Excellent and Vivid are both training bases. I know that William was on HMT Lobelia II (trawler) because he died when it hit a mine on the north coast of Ireland in 1917. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARABIS Posted 21 December , 2014 Share Posted 21 December , 2014 Kinfauns Castle was an armed merchant cruiser from 5/8/14 to 16/9/15. Excellent was a training establishment for gunnery. The last line on the part of the service record that you have attached reads;- Colleen [Lobellia II]. Colleen was the naval base at Queenstown [Cork]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 21 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 21 December , 2014 Thanks, that is really helpful. Any idea what this might read? - under 'remarks' in seaman record Am I right in thinking that it says that William went from St Ives to the USA and returned back in 1913? Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 21 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 21 December , 2014 On the record there is also an interesting bit about Naval Prize Money - any ideas? Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARABIS Posted 21 December , 2014 Share Posted 21 December , 2014 First attachment. RV6 St.Ives 1/9/13. Went to U.S.A.in 5/1910. Returned 17/8/13. 6159/15/2/15. W.H.Carbines A?? reconsideration of decision of 1/9/13 re forfeiture of retainer. Recommended by C.O."Kinfauns Castle" 16/2/15 with RV2. His Commanding Officer is recommending the paying of his R.N.R. retainer payment which was forfeited for the three years that he was in the U.S.A. Second Attachment. This is the payment of money in two stages which was paid to those who served at sea during WW1. In this case it was paid to his widow who had re-married by the second payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 21 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 21 December , 2014 Thanks - that is extremely helpful. Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 This piece came under William's employment section - not sure what it reads Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARABIS Posted 22 December , 2014 Share Posted 22 December , 2014 This is a record of a voyage he made dated 22/5/14 to Cowes as an Able Seaman [AB] in the Merchant Service. The first column gives the name & registration number of the vessel, & the second is the nature of the voyage which I can't decipher. Could you please enlarge the part which gives the name of the vessel as this registration number is missing from the ship index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 Is this any better? Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 Could it possibly be Kethailes (armed yacht)? But it looks like an 'ou' in the middle though Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 Ah, just been on http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsnum.php and found Kethailes with the number 118032. It was built in 1903 and its port of registry was Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 Sorry, my picture doesn't have the headings on - here they are if needed. Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 So does this mean that William went on a voyage in May 1914 on HMS Kethailes to Cowes in the Isle of Wight - how long would the voyage have been? Would it have been part of his job or for the Navy? Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARABIS Posted 22 December , 2014 Share Posted 22 December , 2014 Thanks for the information & link. Kethailes was not hired by the R.N. until 23/9/14 so it was still a private yacht at the time your relative was on board doing his job as an AB in the Merchant Service. I take it you realise that this is an R.N.R. service record we are looking at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 Yes, I did know that this is a RNR service record. One last thing - what should I make of this? Can I do any further research from these numbers? Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 22 December , 2014 Share Posted 22 December , 2014 He served in the RNR first as a Seaman (X) and then as a Qualified Seaman (QA - 1st 5-year period; QB 2nd 5-year period). These records have not survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harvey20 Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 Thanks - that is really helpful. Harvey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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