duece Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 Hello all, I am trying to find out more on British Naval Uniforms from the period 1900's, I would like to know what kind of Naval uniform paterns would be issued to a sailor from 1910 till 1914? I have uploaded a family photograph and would like to know what exact uniform the wedded sailor is wearing and what exact rank he is? I am researching my ancestor PHILLIPS, Owen, Able Seaman, 217302 whom was killed onboard H.M.S. Bulwark 1914. Any help is much apriciated. Cheers, Dre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 There are images on the National Maritime Museum site http://www.rmg.org.uk (may be ac.uk). You'll need to use the search facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrispy49 Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 It looks to me like he is wearing tropical uniform. I'm sure the usual convention is to wear the blue No 1 uniform (like the others in the picture) but with white tapes. I cannot see an anchor above the two stripes on his left arm so I assume he must be an Able Rate. I'm certain the two stripes indicate 8 years mans time service. Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 The chevrons are Good Conduct Badges for 8+ years service. Two years VG conduct was required before the award of each badge at 3 and a subsequent 5 years' service. I agree able rate but branch badges are not visible on the right arm. Nevertheless, able seaman according to OP and wearing summer white duck uniform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duece Posted 14 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 14 December , 2014 Thank you all very much for your information, his service record is dated from 1904 so judging from the uniform and badges and the rank my ancestor held, this could we'll be him.... Kindest regards, Dre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 He enlisted in 1901 and the earliest date he could have put up a second GCB would be on his 26th birthday, 5 November 1910. The photo must be after that date (summer 1911?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 Readers will note that RN GCB awards differed substantially from the army. Royal Marines surprisingly followed the army rules, as did the RFC and early RAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 I am pretty sure the RMLI/RMA conditions of award for GCBs were the same as RN: after 3, 8 and 13 years service. It is unlikely the Admiralty would have had different conditions within the Naval service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 No. This from my MHS article on GCBs. King’s Regulations and Admiralty Instructions of 1913, for example, published very similar conditions to the army ones except that the periods were 2, 6, 12, 18, 23 and 28 years with the customary possibly of acceleration by two years for the last three. In contrast to the army, the 1d per badge was retained by the Royal Marines. The award of GCBs to Royal Marines did not change until 1920 by Order in Council and this from their own [army] system to the Royal Navy's. Back-dated to Feb 1919 it put up badge pay to 3d per badge for the first three, with the next three badges not drawing pay but honorary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 Grumpy, Thanks for reminding me of that 1919 change. I thought it happened pre-WW1. KR&AI (1913), Chapter XXXIV, Section XI, Article 1187 (4) - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~pbtyc/KR&AI/Royal_Marines.html#SECTION XI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 That site is one heck of a resource, thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duece Posted 14 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 14 December , 2014 (edited) He enlisted in 1901 and the earliest date he could have put up a second GCB would be on his 26th birthday, 5 November 1910. The photo must be after that date (summer 1911?) Horatio2 thank you for your correction on date of enlistment, I looked at the first entry of his Subrating dates. You mentioned the following;Two years VG conduct was required before the award of each badge at 3 and a subsequent 5 years' service. I looked this up in Owen his record an can see 11 V.G. entries and 3 Good entries of which one is noted 4 of cells, I presume that means the ships Jail on reason of punishment? I only just learned that Owen married on 03 Sep 1910, so this is only just off the date you mentioned concerning the GCB. Is there a possibility he received the badge earlier? Once again thank you all for your help and information. Dre Edited 14 December , 2014 by Dre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyinuk0 Posted 14 December , 2014 Share Posted 14 December , 2014 Hi all, Without knowing anything about this : If he joined on 19 sep 1901 then would not Sep 1909 be 8 years? Maybe I'm missing something. Regards Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duece Posted 22 December , 2014 Author Share Posted 22 December , 2014 Gents thank you all for your help and info and especially horatio2 for his help via mail. Regards, Dre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazrad Posted 13 February , 2018 Share Posted 13 February , 2018 On 14/12/2014 at 16:18, duece said: Hello all, I am trying to find out more on British Naval Uniforms from the period 1900's, I would like to know what kind of Naval uniform paterns would be issued to a sailor from 1910 till 1914? I have uploaded a family photograph and would like to know what exact uniform the wedded sailor is wearing and what exact rank he is? I am researching my ancestor PHILLIPS, Owen, Able Seaman, 217302 whom was killed onboard H.M.S. Bulwark 1914. Any help is much apriciated. Cheers, Dre Hi Dre I am not 100% sure but I think my wife's grandmother was Owen Phillips sister. Regards Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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