2014 Varsity Rugby Match - commemoration of 55 Fallen Blues

[MBrockway]

It's because I stored them in My Gallery rather than in the post 'in-line'.  That approach back then meant you could avoid the file-size limits, but when it was decided to host images in posts on a secondary server, it was not possible to automatically move images in posts that were held in everybody's My Gallery areas and anything using that approach ended up with broken links.  I raised it and discussed it with Glen at the time, but there was no easy way to switch these over as part of the transfer.

 

It is possible to repair this here: another thing on my 'To Do' list!

 

Mark

Edited 8 December , 2017 by MBrockway

[MBrockway]

On 17/04/2017 at 00:04, MBrockway said:

Looks like lots of our OURFC team photos earlier in this thread did not survive the relocation of Members' Galleries to new servers a wee while back.

 

However fear not, I still have them safe and I will re-connect the missing pictures back to their original posts above as soon as I get some spare time.

 

I'm also rather embarrassed that I still have not got my teeth into preparing the corresponding CURFC images

 

Mark

 

 

After Andy's reminder, I've now re-connected all the OURFC pictures back to their rightful places, so at least the Dark Blue half of this topic is back up to strength!

 

Sorry to report I am no further forward on re-sizing and watermarking all the CURFC photos though.  It will get done eventually.

Mark

 

Edited 8 December , 2017 by MBrockway

[8055Bell]

On 11/19/2014 at 12:03, MBrockway said:

Two of the Oxford 1905 Blues were among the Fallen ...

Harold Augustus HODGES (Sedbergh / Trinity College, Oxford) - KiA near Ham, 24 Mar 1918 - 2/Lt, 3/Monmouths attached 11/South Lancs
Leonard PARKER (Marlborough College / Christ Church, Oxford) - KiA Peronne, 07 Jan 1917 - Major, RFC

Hi Mark,

Please may I use this pic on a project I'm working on for Lt Col E Fearenside of 17th Manchesters?

Tim

Sorry Mark,

I'm after the 1903 image

Edited 4 March , 2018 by 8055Bell
Wrong Picture! Please may I use the 1903 Image?

[MBrockway]

2 hours ago, 8055Bell said:

Hi Mark,

Please may I use this pic on a project I'm working on for Lt Col E Fearenside of 17th Manchesters?

Tim

Sorry Mark,

I'm after the 1903 image

You have a PM about this from me Tim.

[willw]

FWIW, this is the picture of Leonard Parker from the Marlborough College Roll of Honour stored in the Memorial Hall.

MC_ROH_Parker_L.pdf

[BGS]

On 20/11/2014 at 23:25, MBrockway said:

Four of the 1908 Oxford XV were among the Fallen (these men also were variously in the 1907, 1909 and 1910 Oxford XV's) ...

Reginald Harold Myburgh HANDS (Diocesan College, Rondebosch, South Africa / University College, Oxford) - DoW, 20 Apr 1918 - A/Major RGA/South African Heavy Artillery

Francis Nathanial TARR (Uppingham / University College, Oxford) - KiA Ypres, 18 Jul 1915 - Lt 1st/4th Leicestershire Regt

Frederic Harding TURNER (Sedbergh / Trinity College, Oxford) - KiA Kemmel, 10 Jan 1915 - 2/Lt 1st/10th (Liverpool Scottish) Battalion, King’s Liverpool Regiment

Lawrence Cave BLENCOWE (St Edward’s School, Oxford / Queen’s College, Oxford) - KiA Belgium, 29 Jun 1917 - 2/Lt 2nd/10th (Liverpool Scottish) Battalion, King’s Liverpool Regiment

Their details follow in separate posts.

R. Lloyd (front left on ground) took up a post at Bradford Grammar School at the start of 1912. He had been at Keble College, graduating with a Second in Class. Mods and a Third in Li. Hum. He taught Classics and English, and he assisted the First XV. He was called up in 1917 to serve in the A.S.C. Mechanical Transport. He is not on the Keble College War Memorial because the unfortunate man died of influenza on 2nd April 1919, the day after he was demobilized. There are Medal Index Cards for two men named R. Lloyd, M2/131629 (Reginald) and M2/131269. On the former card it is noted that he is NOT identical with the latter.

Can anyone help me identify this man and research his service, please?

Nick.

[MBrockway]

Nick - just to decode the arcane Oxford references for the general audience, Class. Mods refers to the Honour Moderations in Classics taken in the fifth term and Li. Hum. refers to Greats - the BA(Hons) in Literae humaniores (i.e. Classics) taken at the end of the fourth year.

 

The Oxford Roll of Service lists him as Lloyd, R,; matriculated 1907; MA; enlisted 1917; R.A.S.C.; Died, 1918.

 

Greats is/was a four year course, so the earliest he could have gone down is 1911.  Fits well with joining BGS in 1912.

 

He is not marked as having served in the OU OTC while he was up.

 

His entry is in bold, signifying a war-related death as far as the Roll of Service was concerned.  A great shame he is not on the Keble College memorial. 

 

You've already turned up two candidates in the ASC for our Rugby Blue.

 

#1

M2/131269 Pte R Lloyd

Went out to Egypt in 17 Nov 1915.  1914-15 Star.

Commissioned as 2/Lt, Army Service Corps (MT) 15 Apr 1917

Finished the War as Acting Captain, ASC (MT)

 

#2

M2/131629 Pte Reginald Lloyd

Went out after 1915, so no Star entitlement

 

Given the OU Roll of Service has Lloyd enlisting in 1917, and your info also has him joining up in 1917, he cannot be #1.  If 1917 refers to the date of his commission, then #1 could come back into the frame, but two independent sources would then have to both be incorrect.  I'd say that is unlikely, but worth double-checking.

 

The RASC British War and Victory Medal roll for #2 Reginald LLOYD is here (Ancestry subscription required)

 

It does not give his specific ASC (MT) unit, but there are a number of specialists here on the GWF who may be able to infer useful info about that from his service number of M2/131629.

 

The medal roll also mentions that this #2 Lloyd was transferred to the Royal Air Force on 06 May 1918.  Any mention of that in your BGS sources?

 

There is a Reginald Lloyd in the 1911 Census listed as Student, Oxford University, in the following household ...

 

School House, Senghenydd, Glamorgan, Wales

LLOYD, Dan; 51yrs; Head; Widowed; Schoolmaster (C.T.), Glamorgan County Council; Born: Machen, nr Newport, Monmouthshire
_, Reginald; 22yrs; Son; Student, Oxford University; Born: Hawthorn, nr Pontypridd, Glamorgan
_, Clifford J; 15yrs; Son; Apprentice Mechanical Engineer, Brecon & Merthyr Railway Company; Born: Taff Wells, nr Cardiff, Glamorgan
WILLIAMS, Janet; 27yrs; Servant, General Domestic.

To me anyway, this reinforces the likelihood that #2 Reginald Lloyd is the correct soldier.

 

 

Baby steps rather than huge leaps forward, but some progress at least.

 

Mark

 

 

[BGS]

Great work Mark. When I got down to poking around last night I found a lot about him, including a service record.

He was the Reginald Lloyd born 1888 at Hawthorn, nr Pontypridd to elementary Schoolmaster Daniel Lloyd. Reginald attended Llandovery School (I have still to contact their archivist), then Keble College Oxford. The 1908 Varsity Match was a 5-5 draw - according to the account in the Sporting Life, the Cambridge forwards crushed Oxford's, although they had the better backs. The Light Blue backs could not turn their possession into points. The reporter was annoyed that the Oxford try should never have been given as the ball never entered the tunnel to be hooked.

This was the only Varsity match Reginald played in - B.G. school records say he played for London Welsh (presumably his travelling expenses were covered despite amateur rules!). He joined B.G.S. in January 1911 to teach Classics and English. He was living at 27 Marlborough Rd, Manningham, Bradford when he attested under the Derby Group scheme 10.12.1915. He moved to live with a wealthy German-born merchant, Edgar Oscar Cohen and his wife Florence, at Grove House, Bolton Rd by the time he was called up May 1917. His service number was M321900. He was posted to the ASC MT and passed as a motor driver. His vision was defective and he was classed B1 in January 1918, Garrison Duty Overseas only. He served in France from September 1917.

At Abbeville on 23.1.1919 he did not claim any disability caused by his military service (From Z.22), yet his discharge a week later was attributed to a cough. This may have been the start of the illness from which he died at home (Cohen's house) on February 20th. Cause of death was given as influenza, pneumonia and cardiac failure. The doctor who attended him insisted that 'his condition was undoubtedly brought about by his service in the army.’

Lloyd may have been unaware that on 17th February he had been selected to play for Yorkshire against New Zealand on March 8th. By that date he had been buried in Scholemoor Cemetery. There is a photo of him in the Masters Corridor which I will copy and post next time I go into the school. He is bespectacled and recognizably the same person as in the team photo. Interestingly, he was listed last among the forwards in the Oxford team 1908, so presumably No.8, but was picked against New Zealand at wing or centre. He was a decent size for the era, 5' 7" - 5' 10" (the medicals disagree) and weighed 170lbs in 1917.

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[MBrockway]

Wonderful additions to this man's memory, Chaps

 

Thanks both for posting