mick851851 Posted 28 October , 2014 Share Posted 28 October , 2014 Anybody know how to gently remove matt green paint off a raw edge helmet, ive discovered it still has its original paintwork under it. Thanks Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry B Posted 28 October , 2014 Share Posted 28 October , 2014 Do you know when and why it was repainted? Many MKI's including some raw edges were reissued for WWII service, though I assume you already know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 28 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2014 The paint thats on looks like the paint you get from model shops,it dosnt look like old paint, ive gently scrubbed a small area and the original paint has started to show ( only done this on the inside of the helmet ) mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 28 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 28 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2014 The stamp mark reads JR & S A5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 28 October , 2014 Share Posted 28 October , 2014 Later pattern bales. TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 28 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 28 October , 2014 What date would you say the bales are Trenchtrotter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmarchand Posted 29 October , 2014 Share Posted 29 October , 2014 It is not a WD 'raw edge ' rimless helmet, but a helmet missing its edge, the paint lines are a dead giveaway, the more solid grey line you see in your picture is where the over paint bled under the rim edge. It got beaten up etc, the body lost paint, then the rim was detached and you have the fresher paint exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 29 October , 2014 Share Posted 29 October , 2014 The bales are those found on WW1 helmets but the first models had narrower / slimmer bales and thinner "wire" where the strap fed through. Yours are typical of the later patterns with the rims and second pattrn liners. However these bales can be seen on refurbed examples of raw edge helmets. Regards TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 29 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2014 Thanks Trenchtrotter for the info, the helmet is stamped JR&S A5, would that be John Round & Sons Sheffield? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wainfleet Posted 29 October , 2014 Share Posted 29 October , 2014 There are a lot of raw edge helmets in existence with those wider bales, some in near-mint condition and not apparently refurbed. It's my opinion that they can't all be refits and that the wider bales must therefore have been adopted before introduction of the rimmed edge. The narrow bales are typically found on earlier production raw edge helmets with the first pattern liner and chinstrap. I think these must have been replaced by the wider bales about the same time as the improved liner was introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 29 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2014 Just removed some of that matt green paint from the inside of the helmet and ive found a name, the surname is Drake cant make out first name, i'll put a picture on here in a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 29 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 29 October , 2014 might be a bit clearer on this picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 29 October , 2014 Share Posted 29 October , 2014 This is turning out to be an intriguing helmet! Nice find and keep us posted. Thanks. TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 30 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 30 October , 2014 The name in the helmet , Major Drake?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchtrotter Posted 30 October , 2014 Share Posted 30 October , 2014 Out of interest did they add rims to raw edge helmets? TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRANVILLE Posted 31 October , 2014 Share Posted 31 October , 2014 Thanks Trenchtrotter for the info, the helmet is stamped JR&S A5, would that be John Round & Sons Sheffield? I feel sure the JR&S will be John Round and Sons (Silversmiths) of Sheffield. You can read a bit more on the company and it's trademark here: http://www.silvercollection.it/ENGLAJOHNROUND.html I would not be concerned about size of bales/raw edge etc., as you clearly have a nice Brodie with original paint under the more modern coat. I don't particularly think the grey 'tide mark' indicates clearly one way or the other if it was a raw edge. It may well have been on day 1, but within a month or so it will almost certainly have had an edge applied. As has been discussed (and as I have been fortunate enough to see in some photos which I think are to be posted on the forum), all helmets will have undergone some sort of refurbishment either in the field of operation or back home in Blighty. During this time, if necessary they were refitted with liners, repainted, and undoubtedly had edges applied if need be. I think if it were mine, I would very discreetly try some paint stripper, and as soon as the modern paint lifted, help it on it's way and then wipe/wash the stripper off. Due to the nature of the original pint, I think it will be reluctant to lift even using stripper, but this is a decision the current owner has to make for himself. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 31 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 31 October , 2014 Thanks Granville, I'll try some paint stripper on it later after work, the grey tide mark is actually the modern matt paint which i think who ever painted it allowed the paint to run under the rim of the helmet, ive removed some of this thick paint to find the original paint under, and no signs showing it had a rim fitted. I'll put some pic's on later once ive removed as much of the modern paint as i can without damaging the original paint. Cheers Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 31 October , 2014 Author Share Posted 31 October , 2014 Here it is, ive stripped off as much of the top layer as possible, just needs a liner now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lancashire Fusilier Posted 31 October , 2014 Share Posted 31 October , 2014 Here it is, ive stripped off as much of the top layer as possible, just needs a liner now Great job ! Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick851851 Posted 1 November , 2014 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2014 Thanks LF, just need to get a liner for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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