lincolnshire regiment c company 10 platoon 2/4 battalion 59 n m divisi

[esmeralda1961]

Hello Im looking for information on my grandpa charles herbert (Bert) Bailey regiment number 5180 primarily. I have other people i'd like to find information on but Im starting with the most important first.

He enlisted December 1915 . I have a copy of his diary but its not easy to read. It seems he did alot of training in Ireland before going to France.

friday night 16 - 3 - 1917 big advance...I dont know any more of this.

The diary mentions dates and places but not alot of info as to what went on.

He returned home to Stamford some where in february 1919.It was Thursday and he arrived at 2.30 is all I know.

He was in hospital a few times. 15/8/17 a hospital near Rouen

Then hospital Saint George in winchester

An ambulance train took him to a hospital near Boulonge jan 7th 1918. Left Boulonge on sat for boat to Dover then to Leicester northern general hospital p ward .

April he was in Boer Hospital

His brother Walter Edward or Edmund Bailey was reported missing March 21

Walter died on 21 march 1918 aged 25 in France. He was a private in the lincolnshire regiment 5th Battalion . Theatre of war western european theatre.

If anyone has a diary of the regiment and more details I would be really pleased to find out specifics of what he got up to.

Many thanks in advance.

Other people mentioned in the diary - some are relatives

Private C Thistleton 3985 2/5 batt lincs reg

was in RAMC 30 General Hospital

was also POW 21st camp APC

Private J Kirk 31278

118n south lancs regiment

was in RC Hospital cirencester

L/Cpt G Fandgate 20225 CO platoon c company 2/4 lincoln reg

[Stebie9173]

As always, the advice to new members is to try and have a look at the Long, Long Trail (link at the top of the page) which gives excellent advice on researching soldiers.

Fore example, the 2/4th Battalion of the Lincolnshire Regiment is noted on the pages on the Lincolnshire Regiment:

http://www.1914-1918.net/lincolns.htm

and the 59th (2nd North Midland) Division:

http://www.1914-1918.net/59div.htm

As for training in Ireland, there was a lot more going on - the battalion were one of those involved in quelling the Easter Rising in Dublin in April 1916.

Steve.

[johnboy]

Follow the advice given by Steve and aquaint yourself with the regiment and battalions and the actions they were involved in. Follow any links to Brigades and Divisions.

Come back with further questions.

You are lucky to have a diary from the time and maybe you could post some of the entries from it in due course.

[esmeralda1961]

Follow the advice given by Steve and aquaint yourself with the regiment and battalions and the actions they were involved in. Follow any links to Brigades and Divisions.

Come back with further questions.

You are lucky to have a diary from the time and maybe you could post some of the entries from it in due course.

Yes I am trying to type it all up but being a female this is all new to me so I am truly appreciative for hints tips etc. Thank you. The writing is very cursive and in pencil and I only have a copy so its not an easy task. I think that if my grandpa had not seen the name of the place he was in he guessed how the name of the town was spelled. I am learning the names myself as I am going though. The diary doesnt give much in depth information so with my lack of knowlege it appeared that my Granpa wasnt involved in much other than moving from one place to another. As I have dates I can match them up to the events known in history to see where he was and what he was involved in.

[Bingo794]

No.5180 (renumbered in 1917 201935) Charles Herbert Bailey has a nice set of service papers on Ancestry. A interesting set.

Details of Bert's marriage and his brother being missing on the 21/03/1918 are included in a letter.

His Ireland duties may include a mention of Fermoy where they were barracked.

Bert had an active transfer record being placed with 2/4th initially and then 1/4th, 2nd, 2/5th and 7th Battalions of the Lincolnshire Regiment according to his Medal Roll.

Walter No.5528 (renumbered 202160) was with the 1/4th initially and the 2/5th where he was listed as missing, eventually found to have been KIA 21/03/1918.

Bert had some disciplinary issues with a rusty bayonet and been late from a special leave, the bad lad!

There are a full set of dates for just about everything.

You did not say if you have access to the Ancestry site. If you want it sending, as a Lincolnshire Regiment collector and researcher, I am sure I can pop it all off in an email to you.

Put it along side the diary and I am sure it will all fall into place.

Rick

[Bingo794]

No.3985 (renumbered in 1917 201298) nothing much on him but a Medal Index Card and Medal Roll.

We can look for his POW details on a site given to us by one of the other lads.

I will check him out.

Cannot pick anything up for 'Thistleton'........in the POW lists.

[Stebie9173]

Hmm, the records of Charles Herbert Bailey didn't come up on the main list of results but is in the Service Records. Odd.

Anyway - service in France in quick format:

• To France and Flanders in February 1917 with 2/4th Battalion - evacuated with trench fever (caused by lice) in August 1917
• Back to France and Flanders in December 1917 and posted to 2nd Battalion - evacuated with trench foot (a form of frostbite, either from frost or from long immersion of feet in water) in February 1918
• Back to France and Flanders in September 1918 to join 7th battalion and remained with them until after the end of the war (promoted to acting Lance-Corporal in December 1918)
• Returned to England for Demobilisation on 4 February 1919 (a Tuesday - so probably got home on Thursday 6 February 1919)

Steve.

[Bingo794]

L/Cpt G Fandgate 20225 CO platoon c company 2/4 lincoln reg

Not much on Fangate or Fandgate or any other variations on the name, I am afraid.

Though, No.20225 is a chap call George Harvey, a Private in the 1/4th, 1/5th, 1/4th and ending with the 10th (Grimsby Chums) Battalion.

Someone else maybe able to come up with an Officer........I am not a big Officer fan

[Bingo794]

Hmm, the records of Charles Herbert Bailey didn't come up on the main list of results but is in the Service Records. Odd.

I have noticed this happening before.

If for example you bring up the MIC for a man, it offers other items in the WW1 collection.

It can miss items out. Wanting to check one chap whom i have the SWB for, his name did not show in this list. Though, going the long way around and through the SWB form filling bit, or as you did through Service Records, it then shows up.

Another glitch in the anc system.

Rick

[esmeralda1961]

Hmm, the records of Charles Herbert Bailey didn't come up on the main list of results but is in the Service Records. Odd.

Anyway - service in France in quick format:

• To France and Flanders in February 1917 with 2/4th Battalion - evacuated with trench fever (caused by lice) in August 1917
• Back to France and Flanders in December 1917 and posted to 2nd Battalion - evacuated with trench foot (a form of frostbite, either from frost or from long immersion of feet in water) in February 1918
• Back to France and Flanders in September 1918 to join 7th battalion and remained with them until after the end of the war (promoted to acting Lance-Corporal in December 1918)
• Returned to England for Demobilisation on 4 February 1919 (a Tuesday - so probably got home on Thursday 6 February 1919)

Steve.

Hmm, the records of Charles Herbert Bailey didn't come up on the main list of results but is in the Service Records. Odd.

Anyway - service in France in quick format:

• To France and Flanders in February 1917 with 2/4th Battalion - evacuated with trench fever (caused by lice) in August 1917
• Back to France and Flanders in December 1917 and posted to 2nd Battalion - evacuated with trench foot (a form of frostbite, either from frost or from long immersion of feet in water) in February 1918
• Back to France and Flanders in September 1918 to join 7th battalion and remained with them until after the end of the war (promoted to acting Lance-Corporal in December 1918)
• Returned to England for Demobilisation on 4 February 1919 (a Tuesday - so probably got home on Thursday 6 February 1919)

Steve.

Oh thank you Steve. Diary states 15/8/17 in Hospital but cannot read where - looks like Lechell? He got the saint george - i guess is a medal- in hospital at Hursley nr Winchester.Dec 31st 1917 off for four days got frost bitten foot during the line up.

Left for france sept 7 1918 at 3.30.

Feb 4 1919 inspection then went to another camp had a bath and a clean change of clothes then went to dispersal camp .

His journey home is then also documented

Thank you for all info here - Visiting family next week so hope to pass this all on before a trip to the Tower of London to see the poppies as we have bought a poppy to commemorate Walter.

[esmeralda1961]

Oh thank you guys. Lots of info here for me to pass to my family. Much appreciated indeed.

[Stebie9173]

Would you like us to post an interpretation of the records, or would you prefer to decode it yourself?

Steve.

[esmeralda1961]

Hi - Im just adding all this info to my new document I am creating with the information from the diary and in December 1918 there is an entry

"Got strife Sunday"

Made no sense before but perhaps that was his disciplinary.

[DaveKey]

Oh thank you Steve. Diary states 15/8/17 in Hospital but cannot read where - looks like Lechell? He got the saint george - i guess is a medal- in hospital at Hursley nr Winchester.Dec 31st 1917 off for four days got frost bitten foot during the line up.

Left for france sept 7 1918 at 3.30.

Feb 4 1919 inspection then went to another camp had a bath and a clean change of clothes then went to dispersal camp .

His journey home is then also documented

Thank you for all info here - Visiting family next week so hope to pass this all on before a trip to the Tower of London to see the poppies as we have bought a poppy to commemorate Walter.

Hi,

I am very interested in the references to Hursley and wondered whether it would be possible to post, or private message, a copy of the relevant page?

I ask as I am researching the role of Hursley and this would be a very interesting and useful addition to the information i have on the Hospitals and some of the patients who passed through.

In addition, I may be able to help "translate" what the diary actually says. There were two Hospitals in Hursley in 1917: a hutted British Military Hospital for Other Ranks (OR) ie,non-Officers, and a private auxiliary hospital set up by the owners of Hursley Park for Officers ... 'Lady Cooper's Hospital for Officers',

Regards

Dave

[esmeralda1961]

Your interpretation would be most appreciate but include specifics too ie dates, places so I can tie in with the diary. Found some nice photos of the places he would have seen on the link to the Long Long Trail - Thank you

Actually - if poss a copy of records... or is that too cheeky ? Quite exciting... my uncle still has a silk postcard sent to my Grannie from Arras - its still in beautiful condition . I remember seeing it as a child visiting my Grannie (My grandpa Bert died when I was 5). It amazing to think that that is almost 100 years old. I have a crucifix that Bert carried with him through the war too which is almost 100 years old.

[esmeralda1961]

(Poem written)

Lincolns in Ireland

Just a little band of rebels

They set out to fight one day

On a very pretty island

Not very far away

And when some help was needed

And the news it came their way

The Lincolns packed up quickly

And were soon upon their way

Although we call them washouts

Their virtue we’ve been blind

They will always be remembered

By the girls they left behind

They have come back safely.

We can shake them by the hand

And be sure they did their duty

In that place called Ireland.

　

　

Written by Private Charles Herbert Bailey at some point 1915 or 1916 whilst in Ireland before going to France.

[Stebie9173]

Here is my interpretation (dates on records can vary a day or so either way from reality):

09-12-1915: Enlisted under the Derby Scheme at the Drill Hall, St Peter's Street, Stamford (the engraving still exists above the HQ's arch onto St Peter's Street)

10-12-1915: Posted to the Army Reserve and returned home to await mobilisation

06-01-1916: Mobilisation papers sent out along with Railway Warrant (Pass) and instructions to be at the Guildhall at Grantham by 11am on 22-1-1916 for mobilisation

22-01-1916: Mobilised for active service

27-01-1916: Posted to the 2/4th Battalion of the Lincolnshire Regiment (177th Brigade, 59th (2nd North Midland) Division)

27-01-1916: Originally allocated number 20577

27-01-1916: Number revised to 5180

xx-04-1916: Served with 2/4th Battalion in Ireland

15-06-1916: Guilty of having a rusty bayonet (not very clear) at ....lls Bridge - 3 days confined to barracks

23-02-1917: To France via Southampton & Havre

23-02-1917: Eligible for the award of the British War Medal and Victory Medal (Medals would be distributed in the early 1920s)

01-03-1917: Lincolnshire Regiment Number updated to 201935

13-08-1917: Sick to hospital - admitted to 2/2 North Midland Field Ambulance with P.U.O. (Pyrexia of Unknown Origin, i.e. fever)

14-08-1917: Admitted to No 21 Casualty Clearing Station at Ytres (location per Long, Long trail - Léchelle is the village next door)

25-08-1917: Admitted to No 6 General Hospital at Rouen

28-08-1917: Of "C" Company 2/4th battalion Lincolnshire Regiment at time of leaving the battalion

28-08-1917: Evacuated to the UK aboard Hospital Ship "St George"

29-08-1917: Admitted to hospital at Hursley Camp with trench fever

29-09-1917: Discharged from "Military Hospital, Hursley Camp" after 31 days treatment

29-09-1917: Granted 10 days home leave until 8-10-1917

08-10-1917: Posted to 4th Reserve Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment at Saltfleetby for further duty

01-12-1917: To France

06-12-1917: Posted to 2nd Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment (25th Brigade in 8th Division)

08-12-1917: Joined 2nd Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment

06-01-1918: Evacuated from 2nd Battalion with trench feet

06-01-1918: Admitted to 3rd Australian Casualty Clearing Station

09-01-1918: To Boulogne aboard No 7 Ambulance Train

10-01-1918: Admitted to No 53 General Hospital, Boulogne

12-01-1918: To England aboard Hospital Ship St Denis

12-01-1918: Admitted to ??th Northern General Hospital, ????, suffering from Trench Feet (possibly 4th Northern General Hospital at Lincoln, or 5th Northern General Hospital at Leicester)

17-04-1918: Discharged from hospital after 91 days treatment

18-04-1918: Granted 21 days home leave

08-05-1918: Reported to No 2 Infantry Command Depot at Ripon for massage (i.e. physiotherapy), marching and other exercises designed to toughen the man back to full fitness

25-06-1918: Overstayed special leave ?? o'clock on 25-06-1918 until 7.45am on 26-6-1918 - admonished by Lt Colonel commanding the battalion and forfeited one days pay

16-08-1918: Discharged from the Ripon Command Depot and posted to 4th Reserve Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment at Chapel St Leonards for further duty

07-09-1918: Returned to France and Flanders via "K" Infantry Base Depot at Calais

10-09-1918: Posted to 7th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment (51st Brigade in 17th (Northern) Division)

12-09-1918: Joined 7th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment

28-12-1918: Appointed as unpaid acting Lance-Corporal

28-01-1919: Examined and interviewed in France/Flanders regarding any disability - none noted

04-02-1919: To UK for demobilisation

05-02-1919: Posted to 5th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment for records purposes only

07-02-1919: Issued with Protection Certificate (proof of service if needing to claim unemployment benefit) at Harrowby Camp, Grantham (Military Qualification 1st Class shot)

06-03-1919: Transferred to Class Z Army Reserve after 28 days leave

I think that about cover most of what the records say.

Steve.

[Stebie9173]

Got Strife is "Got Stripe" ! As in got a Lance-Corporal stripe - a promotion

Steve.

[DaveKey]

Here is my interpretation (dates on records can vary a day or so either way from reality):

09-12-1915: Enlisted under the Derby Scheme at the Drill Hall, St Peter's Street, Stamford (the engraving still exists above the HQ's arch onto St Peter's Street)

10-12-1915: Posted to the Army Reserve and returned home to await mobilisation

06-01-1916: Mobilisation papers sent out along with Railway Warrant (Pass) and instructions to be at the Guildhall at Grantham by 11am on 22-1-1916 for mobilisation

22-01-1916: Mobilised for active service

27-01-1916: Posted to the 2/4th Battalion of the Lincolnshire Regiment (177th Brigade, 59th (2nd North Midland) Division)

27-01-1916: Originally allocated number 20577

27-01-1916: Number revised to 5180

xx-04-1916: Served with 2/4th Battalion in Ireland

15-06-1916: Guilty of having a rusty bayonet (not very clear) at ....lls Bridge - 3 days confined to barracks

23-02-1917: To France via Southampton & Havre

23-02-1917: Eligible for the award of the British War Medal and Victory Medal (Medals would be distributed in the early 1920s)

01-03-1917: Lincolnshire Regiment Number updated to 201935

13-08-1917: Sick to hospital - admitted to 2/2 North Midland Field Ambulance with P.U.O. (Pyrexia of Unknown Origin, i.e. fever)

14-08-1917: Admitted to No 21 Casualty Clearing Station at Ytres (location per Long, Long trail - Léchelle is the village next door)

25-08-1917: Admitted to No 6 General Hospital at Rouen

28-08-1917: Of "C" Company 2/4th battalion Lincolnshire Regiment at time of leaving the battalion

28-08-1917: Evacuated to the UK aboard Hospital Ship "St George"

29-08-1917: Admitted to hospital at Hursley Camp with trench fever

29-09-1917: Discharged from "Military Hospital, Hursley Camp" after 31 days treatment

29-09-1917: Granted 10 days home leave until 8-10-1917

08-10-1917: Posted to 4th Reserve Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment at Saltfleetby for further duty

01-12-1917: To France

06-12-1917: Posted to 2nd Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment (25th Brigade in 8th Division)

08-12-1917: Joined 2nd Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment

06-01-1918: Evacuated from 2nd Battalion with trench feet

06-01-1918: Admitted to 3rd Australian Casualty Clearing Station

09-01-1918: To Boulogne aboard No 7 Ambulance Train

10-01-1918: Admitted to No 53 General Hospital, Boulogne

12-01-1918: To England aboard Hospital Ship St Denis

12-01-1918: Admitted to ??th Northern General Hospital, ????, suffering from Trench Feet (possibly 4th Northern General Hospital at Lincoln, or 5th Northern General Hospital at Leicester)

17-04-1918: Discharged from hospital after 91 days treatment

18-04-1918: Granted 21 days home leave

08-05-1918: Reported to No 2 Infantry Command Depot at Ripon for massage (i.e. physiotherapy), marching and other exercises designed to toughen the man back to full fitness

25-06-1918: Overstayed special leave ?? o'clock on 25-06-1918 until 7.45am on 26-6-1918 - admonished by Lt Colonel commanding the battalion and forfeited one days pay

16-08-1918: Discharged from the Ripon Command Depot and posted to 4th Reserve Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment at Chapel St Leonards for further duty

07-09-1918: Returned to France and Flanders via "K" Infantry Base Depot at Calais

10-09-1918: Posted to 7th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment (51st Brigade in 17th (Northern) Division)

12-09-1918: Joined 7th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment

28-12-1918: Appointed as unpaid acting Lance-Corporal

28-01-1919: Examined and interviewed in France/Flanders regarding any disability - none noted

04-02-1919: To UK for demobilisation

05-02-1919: Posted to 5th Battalion Lincolnshire Regiment for records purposes only

07-02-1919: Issued with Protection Certificate (proof of service if needing to claim unemployment benefit) at Harrowby Camp, Grantham (Military Qualification 1st Class shot)

06-03-1919: Transferred to Class Z Army Reserve after 28 days leave

I think that about cover most of what the records say.

Steve.

Nice job, beat me to it

So to clarify my earlier comments about Hursley ... it was the prefabricated "hutted" military hospital in the grounds of Hursley Park that he was in.

There is also a picture of HS St George in an old post if you're interested

[esmeralda1961]

Nice job, beat me to it

So to clarify my earlier comments about Hursley ... it was the prefabricated "hutted" military hospital in the grounds of Hursley Park that he was in.

There is also a picture of HS St George in an old post if you're interested

wow thank you so much . Will print out tomorrow and match up to diary . Perhaps i can fill in those gaps. Will look on st peters street for the wording? He and i also lived o st peters street and it was in that house that he died .

Ooh I too am now a Lance corporal

[Bingo794]

Mmm!

Nice work!

A shame all records do not come out that clearly.

Damn that chap Goring and his Luftwaffe : )

Mmm!

Nice work!

A shame all records do not come out that clearly.

Damn that chap Goring and his Luftwaffe : )

[Stebie9173]

Got your Strife

The old drill hall on St Peter's Street is just west of the major highway that is King's Mill Lane. The arch is clearly visible on Google Streetview. I have been to Stamford loads of times but never gone that far down there for some reason.

Steve

[esmeralda1961]

Cheers will take photo's of the arch and wording and learn how to post them here

[Bingo794]

Mmm!

Nice work!

A shame all records do not come out that clearly.

Damn that chap Goring and his Luftwaffe : )

[Bingo794]

Just dont turn up on parade with a rusty bayonet, Lance Corporal! : )