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MikeyH

Julian,

Sorry, unable to do a link, the auctioneer is Humbert and Ellis, International Militaria Sale, 21st March, Lot 140.  The catalogue is on line, with several photos of this lot.

Mike.

 

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JMB1943

Mike & Soldier,—-Thanks for the new examples, it’s good to have extra eyes looking for these.

I did already have the Vickers, but not the Enfield, so keep ‘em coming!

 

Trajan, ——Interesting observation regarding the RAF Regt squadron badges.

 

Regards,

JMB

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trajan

And any comments on the re-issue marks JMB? You have detailed lists, I know, so perchance it is signifcant that some are marked for '22, although one at least (if I remember correctly) is a '20. More to the point is that whatever these 're-issue' marks, some are clearly part or entirely removed, or "scrubbed" to uses the technical term...! The latest of these "scrubbed" ones could, in theory, serve as a terminus post quem for issue to the RAF.

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elliot#1
1 hour ago, trajan said:

 

Thanks Mike, again a 22 date, and 1C would be fine - we have a 1.C. 9303 listed... Any chance of a link to the auctioneers for an enquiry or photograph?

 

I also saw this listed. Not sure if I'm allowed to post the link on the forum (I will PM you the link), but the bayonet is 1.C. 9235. Photos are on the listing. 

 

Best Regards,

 

Elliot

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trajan
20 minutes ago, elliot#1 said:

 

I also saw this listed. Not sure if I'm allowed to post the link on the forum (I will PM you the link), but the bayonet is 1.C. 9235. Photos are on the listing. 

 

Copyright law is a minefield, I know, but exceptions for reproducing materials from elsewhere is, to the best of my knowledge, permissable for academic / research / evaluation / comment purposes, so long as it represents a small part of the work being copied and is properly acknowledged and is not expressly forbidden! Happy to be corrected and wrists ready for slapping if necessary:thumbsup: But I'm happy also with the link - many thanks!

 

So scabbard simply marked "R.A.F" on the locket, and bayonet essentially as described above, i.e., a 4/12 Enfield HQ removed with clearance hole, a "reissue" mark of '22, and a 1 / C /  9235, but ricasso markings surprisingly intact. Cheap at the current going price!

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elliot#1

It was the forum rules I wasn't sure on!

 

Just seen another coming up for auction whilst browsing. 1.E. 4232

 

It's a Wilkinson Pall Mall dated Feb 1918, re-inspection mark for 1920.

 

Will PM the link with pictures again just to be safe!

 

Best Regards,

 

Elliot

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JMB1943
57 minutes ago, trajan said:

And any comments on the re-issue marks JMB? You have detailed lists, I know, so perchance it is signifcant that some are marked for '22, although one at least (if I remember correctly) is a '20. More to the point is that whatever these 're-issue' marks, some are clearly part or entirely removed, or "scrubbed" to uses the technical term...! The latest of these "scrubbed" ones could, in theory, serve as a terminus post quem for issue to the RAF.

 

Trajan,

Yes, the majority of the re-issue dates are in the 1920-22 range, although the outliers are 1917 and 1941(!); which latter possibly 

correlates with formation of the Regt in 1942.

Regards,

JMB

 

Your comment re the use of red paint to denote “Drill Only” rifles triggered the memory of red paint in the mortise of the pommel for parade Bayonets——was that a German practice?

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JMB1943
3 minutes ago, elliot#1 said:

It was the forum rules I wasn't sure on!

 

Just seen another coming up for auction whilst browsing. 1.E. 4232

 

It's a Wilkinson Pall Mall dated Feb 1918, re-inspection mark for 1920.

 

Will PM the link with pictures again just to be safe!

 

Best Regards,

 

Elliot

Elliot,

I do already have this one, but as always, please keep sending them because I do inevitably miss some.

Regards,

JMB

 

 

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elliot#1
20 minutes ago, JMB1943 said:

Elliot,

I do already have this one, but as always, please keep sending them because I do inevitably miss some.

Regards,

JMB

 

 

 

Will do. Funnily enough I come across them fairly frequently at auction, shows, shops etc, but as the RAF isn't my area of interest I usually just dismiss them and move on!

 

Best,

 

Elliot

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elliot#1

Apologies, I also missed that it had already been pointed out on this thread. That'll teach me not to re-read before I post!

 

Best,

 

Elliot

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JMB1943
8 minutes ago, elliot#1 said:

 

Will do. Funnily enough I come across them fairly frequently at auction, shows, shops etc, but as the RAF isn't my area of interest I usually just dismiss them and move on!

 

Best,

 

Elliot

 

Elliot,

 

What........”fairly frequently ......just dismiss them”.......Ohhhhhh!!!

Well young man, I think that you need to learn the error of your ways and get a camera ASAP.

Or at least a notebook........we’re expecting great things from you.

 

Regards,

JMB

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trajan
20 hours ago, elliot#1 said:

... Funnily enough I come across them fairly frequently at auction, shows, shops etc, but as the RAF isn't my area of interest I usually just dismiss them and move on!

 

20 hours ago, JMB1943 said:

What........”fairly frequently ......just dismiss them”.......Ohhhhhh!!!

 

I agree with JMB! Do, please, let us have the basic details of any you see, that is to say, the RAF code, but ideally a photograph of the pommel and ricasso marks! You will get ever-gratefulness from us!

 

Again, though, I wonder if these have suddenly started to appear on the market as it were on account of the 100th anniversary of the RAF, even though that was last year!

 

Julian

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