jasonmarkwebber Posted 3 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 3 September , 2014 Some time ago we applied to have Buckinghamshire Remembers included in the collection but were told that as it is a searchable database and generated pages on the fly, it was not suitable for inclusion. June Hi June. The website has been archived: http://www.webarchive.org.uk/ukwa/target/106234047/ The searchable database element, however, has not been captured. Cheers, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 3 September , 2014 Share Posted 3 September , 2014 The Internet Archive (Archive.org) has archived websites. Presumably the British Library Web Archive is run on similar lines As an experiment, I entered the URL for FIBIS (Families in British India Society] http://www.fibis.org in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine https://archive.org/web/web.php#forum From there, within the Internet Archive, I was able to navigate to the Fibiwiki section of the FIBIS website, and by navigating by various internal links was able to archive the Fibiwiki page First World War. The resulting URL is https://web.archive.org/web/20140903124936/http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/First_World_War Comments: some of the main FIBIS website did not seem possible to archive, such as the Database and the Gallery. However, I was able to enter the Library, which is entirely Google Books, and it was possible to access the Google Books within the Internet Archive. In respect of the Fibiwiki, it seemed possible to archive any of the pages I selected. However, the problem arose in trying to access some of the links (URLs) on those pages. Some links were easy to access/and or manually archive, including Google book links. Some could not be accessed, including URLs which were URLs on the Internet Archive, being Books on archive.org, and links to archived webpages in archive.org. However, overall, quite an amount of information was able to be accessed within the archived Fibiwiki in the Internet Archive. My feeling is that is that if I, a member of the public, am able to manually archive some pages, it should be possible for the British Library WebArchive to do this for all the webpages in a website, such as the FIBIS site by a computer process, even if the scale involved is much larger. As stated in another post, although the FIBIS website has been archived by the British Library Web Archive previously, the Fibiwiki section never has been. If the British Library process is not of the same standard as the Internet Archive, surely it should be possible to upgrade the technology. I do volunteer work, adding content to the FIBIS Fibiwiki, however I am not the Webmaster, and have very little other computer knowledge. Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 3 September , 2014 Share Posted 3 September , 2014 Is there anything the British Library can do that this can't? Click Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 3 September , 2014 Share Posted 3 September , 2014 Some time ago we applied to have Buckinghamshire Remembers included in the collection but were told that as it is a searchable database and generated pages on the fly, it was not suitable for inclusion. June I've submitted my Stockport site and suspect it may fall foul of the same - the 3000 stories of commemorated men are held in a datebase, hosted by the company which designed the site for me. All I've been able to do so far, by way of "legacy", is gve a CD with all the Word documents to the local heritge library and local family history society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaureenE Posted 3 September , 2014 Share Posted 3 September , 2014 Having accessed , or tried to access, many websites in the Internet Archive (Archive.org), the key to a successful design (for archive purposes) is being able to click through from one page to another, so that all pages can be clicked through to. This is because any search facility is lost in an archived site. So if your website does have a search facility, you should also have in addition a means where you can browse all the pages in some way. The archived websites in the Internet Archive are not currently searchable, (you have to know an original URL to access) but the information available about the Internet Archive says that it is hoped in the future to make it searchable. You may be able to (manually) archive your own website, or at least pages from it using https://archive.org/web/web.php#forum Cheers Maureen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmarkwebber Posted 4 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 4 September , 2014 The Internet Archive (Archive.org) has archived websites. Presumably the British Library Web Archive is run on similar lines As an experiment, I entered the URL for FIBIS (Families in British India Society] http://www.fibis.org in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine https://archive.org/web/web.php#forum From there, within the Internet Archive, I was able to navigate to the Fibiwiki section of the FIBIS website, and by navigating by various internal links was able to archive the Fibiwiki page First World War. The resulting URL is https://web.archive.org/web/20140903124936/http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php/First_World_War Comments: some of the main FIBIS website did not seem possible to archive, such as the Database and the Gallery. However, I was able to enter the Library, which is entirely Google Books, and it was possible to access the Google Books within the Internet Archive. In respect of the Fibiwiki, it seemed possible to archive any of the pages I selected. However, the problem arose in trying to access some of the links (URLs) on those pages. Some links were easy to access/and or manually archive, including Google book links. Some could not be accessed, including URLs which were URLs on the Internet Archive, being Books on archive.org, and links to archived webpages in archive.org. However, overall, quite an amount of information was able to be accessed within the archived Fibiwiki in the Internet Archive. My feeling is that is that if I, a member of the public, am able to manually archive some pages, it should be possible for the British Library WebArchive to do this for all the webpages in a website, such as the FIBIS site by a computer process, even if the scale involved is much larger. As stated in another post, although the FIBIS website has been archived by the British Library Web Archive previously, the Fibiwiki section never has been. If the British Library process is not of the same standard as the Internet Archive, surely it should be possible to upgrade the technology. I do volunteer work, adding content to the FIBIS Fibiwiki, however I am not the Webmaster, and have very little other computer knowledge. Cheers Maureen Hi Maureen, One of my colleagues is capturing another version of the site (it is a year since the last one) and it should be visible in a few weeks. You can see what we have then? It might be best to contact us direct: http://www.webarchive.org.uk/ukwa/info/contact Cheers. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Wilcock Posted 4 September , 2014 Share Posted 4 September , 2014 Once a site is archived is it possible to update and add to it? May be one could ask them to archive our FWW site when we die and are no longer able to add to it or repond to queries? But at present the on line application form seems to apply to websites in general and not those concerned with WW1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 4 September , 2014 Share Posted 4 September , 2014 But at present the on line application form seems to apply to websites in general and not those concerned with WW1? Put a comment in the box at the bottom that its WW1 related and they'll do the rest. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue Light Posted 4 September , 2014 Share Posted 4 September , 2014 Once a site is archived is it possible to update and add to it? May be one could ask them to archive our FWW site when we die and are no longer able to add to it or repond to queries? But at present the on line application form seems to apply to websites in general and not those concerned with WW1? Once archived, the sites are automatically updated on a rolling basis - I think it used to be about every six months but maybe it will be a bit longer as the number archived grows. But if you have it archived now it will continue to reflect any growth over the months/years, so there's no need to wait. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Nulty Posted 5 September , 2014 Share Posted 5 September , 2014 I had a play with this the other night and since then, every time I follow a URL link it takes me to the Archived version of the target site What on earth have I done to cause this? Wish I'd never read this post now :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E Wilcock Posted 5 September , 2014 Share Posted 5 September , 2014 I have now applied and also pointed the BL to the sister sites for 240 and 241 Brigades. Thank you for your help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 5 September , 2014 Share Posted 5 September , 2014 I received the email yesterday, requesting that the Log, Long Trail should be archived. To be honest I thought it had already - didn't BL do something like this a few years ago? I'm not convinced about this yet, especially if the database elements are not being picked up. Question for Jason: what guarantees are being made that access to the archived versions will be and will remain free of charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmarkwebber Posted 5 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 5 September , 2014 Hi Once in the archive websites are collected at regular periods, usually at least annually (although there are exceptions). Our FAQs answer a few of these questions: http://www.webarchive.org.uk/ukwa/info/faq Cheers, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 5 September , 2014 Share Posted 5 September , 2014 Hi Once in the archive websites are collected at regular periods, usually at least annually (although there are exceptions). Our FAQs answer a few of these questions: http://www.webarchive.org.uk/ukwa/info/faq Cheers, Jason But it doesn't answer Chris's question which, given the way in which other holders of public records and archiives have "sold" access to commercial genealogy services etc is a fair one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 5 September , 2014 Share Posted 5 September , 2014 Jason, those FAQs don't seem to cover the legal deposit regs introduced last year - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/777/contents/made For the legal deposit libraries, web archiving is now a integral part of their activities just as obtaining the legal deposit copies of printed works is. That's not the same as digitisation activities, where it should be remembered that it is generally the private companies that bear the cost of the initial digitisation and transcription (though the copyright of the image normally remains with the body that owns the rights in the original), or they purchase relevant set of images created previously either by a public body or another commerical entity, and in both cases also usually pay a royalty to the holding archive, which in most cases simply wouldn't have the funds to perform the digitisation itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalucia Posted 8 September , 2014 Share Posted 8 September , 2014 I submitted my website yesterday and today I received an email back saying they want to archive my site. They have given me a licence form to fill in, looks like it is going to be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 8 September , 2014 Share Posted 8 September , 2014 Excellent news Ant. Does it include ALL of your stories in the brilliant website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBully Posted 8 September , 2014 Share Posted 8 September , 2014 Thanks for the information . I have nominated my own Great War at Sea Poetry Project website and will see what happens. Regards Michael Bully http://greatwaratseapoetry.weebly.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalucia Posted 8 September , 2014 Share Posted 8 September , 2014 Excellent news Ant. Does it include ALL of your stories in the brilliant website? They said the whole website ( It is very big ) Just have to wait and see what uploads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalucia Posted 8 September , 2014 Share Posted 8 September , 2014 Thanks for the information . I have nominated my own Great War at Sea Poetry Project website and will see what happens. Regards Michael Bully http://greatwaratseapoetry.weebly.com/ Nice website Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 9 September , 2014 Share Posted 9 September , 2014 I've now done all the online "paperwork". Any idea about roughly how long it takes from that stage to actual archiving? I don't want to be checking the website every day if it's going to be three months before anything happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andalucia Posted 9 September , 2014 Share Posted 9 September , 2014 No timescale given. As they are very busy I would assume trying in a few weeks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scritch Posted 9 September , 2014 Share Posted 9 September , 2014 Hi Jason, I submitted our website http://derbyshirewarmemorials.wikispaces.com/ to the archive quite some time ago, and received the licence form which I filled in and returned. Would you be able to tell me if it is to be archived at all please? Many thanks Richard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmarkwebber Posted 9 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 9 September , 2014 I've now done all the online "paperwork". Any idea about roughly how long it takes from that stage to actual archiving? I don't want to be checking the website every day if it's going to be three months before anything happens. Hi John, It varies but it can be a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonmarkwebber Posted 9 September , 2014 Author Share Posted 9 September , 2014 Hi Jason, I submitted our website http://derbyshirewarmemorials.wikispaces.com/ to the archive quite some time ago, and received the licence form which I filled in and returned. Would you be able to tell me if it is to be archived at all please? Many thanks Richard Hi Richard, looks like we are in the middle of processing the site but it might be a week or two before we have a full picture. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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