David_Blanchard Posted 29 July , 2014 Share Posted 29 July , 2014 Could someone provide me with a scan of Old Boots Trench near Cuinchy from early 1916. Thanks David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDWARD1 Posted 29 July , 2014 Share Posted 29 July , 2014 Please find attached trench map for June 1916 with named trench and a trace of Sept 15 showing the same unnamed in parts Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Blanchard Posted 29 July , 2014 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2014 Excellent thanks very much. Davidb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 29 July , 2014 Share Posted 29 July , 2014 See also here ... C/393 E. G. Smith, 16th Battalion King's Royal Rifle Corps David has been researching the two Jackson brothers from Mytholmroyd, both ex CLB members who enlisted into 16/KRRC.. The elder brother, Joseph ('Joe') - C/254, Rfn Joseph JACKSON, A Coy, 16-KRRC - was Killed in Action on the same day as C/393 E. G. Smith in front line in front of MADAGASCAR, approx 2.5km ESE of CAMBRIN. The 16/KRRC War Diary has ... 27 Jan 1916 Moved to Z1 at 12 noon, relieved 1/Queens. D Coy holding right & B Coy left of front line. A in HAMILTON TRENCH & C in OLD BOOTS [runs from 36C.A.27.a.7.3 to 36C.G.3.b.9.6] in support." 28 Jan 1916 Enemy bombardment commenced 10 a.m., and continued till 5 p.m. Very intense & knocked both firing, support & communications trenches about. The left suffered most severely, while SIMS KEEP [at 36C.A.27.d.3.5 just in front of OLD BOOTS TRENCH] was also battered. B & C coys fared worst. Our artillery retaliated. In evening 2 platoons of C Coy reinforced B Coy. Casualties: Capt DONALDSON wounded. Rank & File - 21 killed, 30 wounded. I've already sent a wealth of material to David off the Board, including these trench map refs for Old Boots Trench and Sims Keep. I could find no reference however for HAMILTON TRENCH (mentioned above) nor several other landmarks mentioned in other war diary entries close by, namely ... BRAYS KEEP - ? near CHURCH KEEP WEST in vicinity of CAMBRIN?BORDON TRENCH (may be a mistake for GORDON TRENCH)ANNEQUIN SOUTH TRENCH - likely to be a communication trench leading back past Cambrin to AnnequinMUD TRENCH - possibly close to MUD ALLEY visible above,perhaps the front line trench at right angles to MUD ALLEY, which would be its communication trench. For anyone else looking at this period early in 33rd Division's Western Front experience, I have managed to locate the following landmarks mentioned in the war diary ... SIMS KEEP - 36C.A.27.d.3.5 (see above)ARTHURS KEEP - 36C.A.27.a.7.2RAILWAY KEEP - 36C.G.3.b.1.3CHURCH KEEP WEST - 36C.A.25.b.3.5 BACK STREET - support trench roughly parallel to OLD BOOTS TRENCH (visible in the map extract above)HIGH STREET - ditto, but closer to the firing line. Can anyone else identify these landmarks? Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 29 July , 2014 Share Posted 29 July , 2014 Sorry - MUD ALLEY is not quite visible in the extract above - it's just off the S edge of the crop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 29 July , 2014 Share Posted 29 July , 2014 David (and others),A quick and easy way to geo-locate a trench map reference to the real world is to use the excellent Great War British Trench Map Coordinates Converter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDWARD1 Posted 30 July , 2014 Share Posted 30 July , 2014 Back Street and High Street run parallel to each other 36cNW1 A21d,27b,G4a Borden 36cSW3 S6b,T1c Brays Keep 36bNE4 F30c95.05 to L6a 95.95 Mud Trench 36cNW1 G4ab Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBrockway Posted 30 July , 2014 Share Posted 30 July , 2014 Back Street and High Street run parallel to each other 36cNW1 A21d,27b,G4a Borden 36cSW3 S6b,T1c Brays Keep 36bNE4 F30c95.05 to L6a 95.95 Mud Trench 36cNW1 G4ab Eddie Excellent Eddie! Many thanks! Any idea about HAMILTON TRENCH? From the war diary context, it must be a support trench behind the firing line and probably S of Old Boots Trench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EDWARD1 Posted 31 July , 2014 Share Posted 31 July , 2014 Hamilton Trench 36cNW3 H27c,d.33b,34a,c Eddie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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