neverforget Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 A youthful Bill Shankly?? At a guess, knowing Pete's affiliations I would say that's someone we can almost definitely rule out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 1 hour ago, neverforget said: At a guess, knowing Pete's affiliations I would say that's someone we can almost definitely rule out. Perhaps not. Shanks lived close to the Everton training ground and is known to have given coaching advice over the fence. Perhap's Everton's greatest manager then Pete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Perhaps not. Shanks lived close to the Everton training ground and is known to have given coaching advice over the fence. Perhap's Everton's greatest manager then Pete? The jury's out then Mr. V. To be fair, be you red or blue, it is surely hard not to have anything but the greatest respect for the incomparable "Shanks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Was he known more for his previous/future career, than for his involvement in the Great War? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 13 minutes ago, Knotty said: Was he known more for his previous/future career, than for his involvement in the Great War? I suspect we are both thinking of Antonio Salazar, the future dictator but part of the murky system that ruled Portugal in the Great War years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Don't tell anyone but I am relaxed about Bill Shankly; although one eyed about footballing rivalries there was much to admire about him as a man. He once eulogised William Ralph Dean as one of the greatest footballers who ever lived, I really need to find the quote and save it. My man has serious Merseyside links and his patch actually included Goodison Park rather than Anfield at one time. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Perhaps not. Shanks lived close to the Everton training ground and is known to have given coaching advice over the fence. Perhap's Everton's greatest manager then Pete? When Bill left Liverpool he found that he couldn't let go of football and, having been in the game all his life had withdrawal symptoms. Liverpool's hierarchy were not keen to have him around Melwood, which was understandable if a bit cold, so he would go down to Bellfield, Everton's training ground and stand on the touchline with Gordon Lee watching training. Tommy Docherty at United was also welcoming, the contrast apparently rankled with Shanks. It's actually pertinent that you remind me of it as the Everton charity is looking to start a group for recent retirees; I've know several examples where retirement has not been the positive it should be. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 A clue on the Shankly lookalike in bronze - he's nothing to do with football as far as I know. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Bug*er, been going down the wrong route, thanks for the heads up 👍 Try again tomorrow if it doesn’t go overnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 Due to Pete's "his patch" clue I've been thinking more along the lines of copper or politician. (I know, I'm almost certainly a zillion miles away as per usual.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 That’s similar to what I am now thinking ( football was a good red herring), so I’m with you on this one nf, of course we could both be miles away😁. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggers Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 Would ‘00’ be a clue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 13 hours ago, Fattyowls said: his patch actually included Goodison Park rather than Anfield at one time. Does this refer to the Liverpool constituency of Walton, so are we looking at a politician? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 57 minutes ago, Knotty said: Does this refer to the Liverpool constituency of Walton, so are we looking at a politician? You are on the right track John. This person was parachuted in to the constituency by the local party bigwigs. That would never happen in modern times surely........... Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 Frederick Edwin Smith, 1st Earl of Birkenhead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 Spot on NF; well solved. My next clue would have mentioned a single by Gerry and the Pacemakers about a unique mode of Merseyside transport, since the river stands between the constituency and his home turf. The photo comes from his Wikipedia page and the bust is at Grays Inn I think. It is striking that 100 years ago Walton would have elected FE, although the current incumbent has similarities only in the sense of being parachuted in to what is now a safe seat. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 If I'd waited for your next clue I'd never have got there Pete 😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 It's interesting that quite apart from red herrings and Daniel's legendary and wonderful non-clue clues (he is missed), sometimes extra clues take you further away rather than closer to the answer. Not that I have a clue at the best of times....... Pete. P.S. What made me think of Smith was looking for a photo of the Indian Memorial at Neuve-Chapelle. Smith unveiled the memorial in the company of Ferdinand Foch; he'd been on the staff of the Indian Corps and co-wrote the history of the unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 I recently picked up a second hand copy of “For the Honour of my House” by Tony McClenaghan, which is a potted history of the Indian Army during the Great War, must move it closer to the top of the pile to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 5 hours ago, Fattyowls said: It's interesting that quite apart from red herrings and Daniel's legendary and wonderful non-clue clues (he is missed), sometimes extra clues take you further away rather than closer to the answer. Not that I have a clue at the best of times....... Pete. P.S. What made me think of Smith was looking for a photo of the Indian Memorial at Neuve-Chapelle. Smith unveiled the memorial in the company of Ferdinand Foch; he'd been on the staff of the Indian Corps and co-wrote the history of the unit. F.E.Smith- certainly one of the most unpleasant British politicos ever- and a lawyer, which doesn't help....and a scouser-well, say no more. The biography by his son, the 2nd Earl cannot entirely overlook such a blaggard and bounder-an absolute cad. Of the many tales of his unpleasant,sarcastic manner my favourite is that of his regular walk from the Inns of Court down to the House of Commons. He used to stop off to have a pee at the National Liberal Club-roughly halfway. When eventually challenged that he was F.E.Smith, the Tory and asked if he were a member of the club, he replied "Oh, is it a club as well?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 one of the most unpleasant British politicos ever- and a lawyer, which doesn't help....and a scouser-well, say no more politician, lawyer and scouser; I wonder which one he would regard as the most insulting? If I were a betting man I'd say the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Fattyowls said: politician, lawyer and scouser; I wonder which one he would regard as the most insulting? If I were a betting man I'd say the latter. I am only brainwashed by cultural stereotypes propagated by Harry Enfield I would not have never recognized the bust as FE- almost every photograph has him with a leer or, on a good day when he was in a good mood (ie drunk), a scowl. (A curiosity, with a slight GWF status to it, is that FE, Austen Chamberlain and Wully all went the same way- shouting at their servants- FE did a damaged vein in his neck(common with boozers), while Wully was shouting that his morning tea was not hot enough. At least Allenby did something different- dropped down building a birdcage in his garden.) Edited 17 October , 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggers Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 F.E. was not exactly parachuted in. He was born and schooled in the town of his later title and for that does not qualify as a scouser. He was well known in Liverpool despite his London base. D (actual scouser) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 (edited) Others who carried out a similar “good deed” sometimes ended up with a VC. The picture is after his promotion. photo courtesy of IWM. Edited 17 October , 2019 by Knotty Acknowledgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 17 October , 2019 Share Posted 17 October , 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, daggers said: F.E. was not exactly parachuted in. He was born and schooled in the town of his later title and for that does not qualify as a scouser. He was well known in Liverpool despite his London base. D (actual scouser) Fair point Dags, I was probably trying to have a gentle dig at the current incumbent and stretching the point. Pete (another actual scouser) P.S. Hope all is well south of the border, down Allerton way...... Edited 17 October , 2019 by Fattyowls Word order from a grammar other than English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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