Guest Posted 12 October , 2019 Share Posted 12 October , 2019 Ignore Glasgow. You are almost there- Oh, and ignore the traffic cone as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 12 October , 2019 Share Posted 12 October , 2019 (edited) Arthur Wellesley, 5th Duke of Wellington, Marquess of Duoro 1876-1941.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Wellesley,_5th_Duke_of_Wellington That took to long, close at times but dithering around, I must be out of practice. Edited 12 October , 2019 by Knotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 14 October , 2019 Share Posted 14 October , 2019 Well done Knotty- I thought it would be easier so I chucked in some red herring clues- esp. the other Ramsay,which I thought would lead straight to this Wellington. The Constable reference is that the 1st Duke was Lord Warden of the Cinque Ports-and Constable of Dover Castle, hence the repeat that there was a connection with Dover. Reinforced by the use of the word DEAL, another of the ports. The link with Mersey, Anthony Eden,etc was that he was Marquess Douro-and they are all rivers. The spelling of RIGHT should have led quickly to the Right Club- a nasty bunch of individuals and linked only by malicious anti-semitism. The 5th Duke was an Ensign in the Guards in South Africa but seems never to have got beyond that rank in the Great War- not to have done while bearing such an illustrious name betokens some serious level of underachievement or expectation. I suspect that he was either too thick (though that has never been much of a career stopper in the Guards) or too malicious-or both. The career-or lack of it-of the 5th Duke illustrates one of the byways of military history-We glorify our military heroes and great leaders but their kith and kin come with it-with all the attendant problems of expectations. Roberts lost his only son Fred in South Africa at Colenso-a family VC shows that the son formed part of a "family tradition". Kitchener's brother Walter seems to have been an able though bog standard Major General. Wully's son, Brian seems to have got to the top without his father's notably horrible (that should be 'orrible,of course) traits of Wully, notably the shouting and bullying. But this Wellington seems to have been too much of a wrong 'un even to parade around much during the war as a figurehead to use the brand-name,so to speak. The fate of his son does,however, go a long way to restore the family's name in the military tradition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyne Posted 14 October , 2019 Share Posted 14 October , 2019 as they say in Liège: "Oufti!!!" M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Hall Posted 15 October , 2019 Share Posted 15 October , 2019 This chap has a rather tenuous connection to some very famous express locomotives. He lost the sight of one eye before the war, and although medically unfit to serve, he did end up on the western front with the Canadian Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 15 October , 2019 Share Posted 15 October , 2019 Wild guess. Henry Knobel. Canadian war photographer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 15 October , 2019 Share Posted 15 October , 2019 I think that it's Alfred Munnings, the noted painter, who specialised particularly in painting horses, including those with the Canadian Corps in France. He later became a sculptor as well. He was knighted after the war. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Hall Posted 15 October , 2019 Share Posted 15 October , 2019 Not Henry Knobel, sorry. However, Ron has it. i don't know why i bother. I've a shed load of evil, devious clues in the ready locker, ready to confuse and bewilder. His connection to the locomotives is that he painted various winners of the St Leger, National and the Derby, including Solario, Brown Jack, Hyperion, Fairway and Sun Chariot. These all had LNER Pacific locomotives named after them. He painted Brigadier Jack Seely and his famous horse, “Warrior” and depicted the last great cavalry charge “Charge of Flowerdew's Squadron.” at the Battle of Moreuil Wood. He was i believe in charge of a Canadian remount depot . I feel a certain brotherhood with Lt Flowerdew, A brave attempt, but ultimately doomed against overwhelming odds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 15 October , 2019 Share Posted 15 October , 2019 32 minutes ago, Gunner Hall said: i don't know why i bother. I've a shed load of evil, devious clues in the ready locker, ready to confuse and bewilder. We've all been there GH. Barrels full of red herrings all lined up and somebody inconsiderately gets it in one. An interesting chap either way, however not being a turf fancier or train spotter your fiendish clues would have been wasted on me. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Hall Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that I could post a photograph of the rear of a company cook bending over a dixie, – and Ron will give me his name rank, and number, within the hour. A drawing by him was assessed on Antiques Roadshow last Sunday. The expert mentioned in passing that he had a role in the GW. A light bulb moment - all too easily blown. As you say Pete, an interesting man. And tragic too- his first wife tried to kill herself on their honeymoon, and suceeded two years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyne Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Wonder if somebody knows THIS DUO… I'm not especially versed in this country's hero's, but got the picture through my sister… should be a hint too.. PS: please don't get me started on his position in the saddle!! M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 1 hour ago, Marilyne said: THIS DUO… but got the picture through my sister… should be a hint too.. PS: please don't get me started on his position in the saddle!! To take your points in reverse order - 3. I am no expert on equestrian posture but that looks like a very big man or a very small horse. But I won't say anything more as per your request. 2. This would be your sister the show jumper? 1. Does the word 'DUO' refer to the fat man with bad saddle positioning and the man standing or the aforementioned fat man and the poor horse having to support his weight? Pete. P.S. I realise that I've mentioned the saddle position within two sentences having promised not to; but as you know I'm completely untrustworthy. If I was a better and nicer person I'd be contrite....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 (edited) Dealing with your queries as per your running order Pete, he was a very good horseman so saddle position should not be criticised. I have no idea about M’s sister so reserve any judgement and await conformation of her relationship within this WIT. And the duo is Poland's post war leader, Marshal Józef Piłsudski, on his famous chestnut mare Kasztanka (Polish for chestnut mare) born in c.1910 and died November 23rd 1927. This link will give you all the information about the famous horse https://alchetron.com/Kasztank and a bit about the rider https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Józef_Piłsudski. 😁 No idea who the gent is observing from the sideline, however as you said he might be part of the Duo in which case I have only partially answer this one😇 Edited 16 October , 2019 by Knotty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heid the Ba Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 (edited) Edit: Beaten to the punch. Edited 16 October , 2019 by Heid the Ba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyne Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 no idea who the man in the back is but that's not the point. Knotty's right… I just got the pic from my sister, who's the "pro" rider in the family (me being the amateur) and who's into animals in war… show her a horse or dog and she'll know what his name is… Ron for the animals, in a way… It was an easy one I guess … M. Ps: Pete, we don't do show jumping, we do dressage !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 18 minutes ago, Marilyne said: Ps: Pete, we don't do show jumping, we do dressage !!!!! I stand corrected major..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 3 hours ago, Gunner Hall said: I’m rapidly coming to the conclusion that I could post a photograph of the rear of a company cook bending over a dixie, – and Ron will give me his name rank, and number, within the hour. I have to say that I cannot recognise any man from being able to see his bottom! 25 minutes ago, Marilyne said: Ron for the animals, in a way… Or animal! Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Who are these three chaps?...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 11 minutes ago, Fattyowls said: Who are these three chaps?...... Haking in the middle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heid the Ba Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Looks a lot like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyne Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 too fast for me… ...middle, with Generals Fernando Tamagnini de Abreu e Silva and Gomes da Costa, from Portugal left and right. M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 A fine team effort team; correct in all respects. What made me think of it was a post by my mate Richie by the C this am about a man remembered on the Indian Memorial at Neuve-Chapelle. I was looking for a good photo of it from my collection but I realised that a good photo in my collection is a bit of an oxymoron. The least worst was taken from the Portuguese cemetery next door but doesn't do justice to Herbert Baker's masterpiece (or the Wheeler sculptures either). I've got a bit of a thing about the much maligned Portuguese troops and thought of their questionable leaders. Haking's presence seemed apt given that Fromelles is within walking distance. Pete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fattyowls Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 The photo was from Wikipedia and is public domain by the way. This one is related to the foregoing but where I found it would be a bit of a giveaway, so I'll wait until it is solved. Should take all of 30 seconds....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 Hi Pete Looks a bit like Julius Caesar, it cant be, so as it’s your good self I’m trawling through Everton players bronzes ( nearly said busts but I'm sure that may cause some disconcerting vibes😁) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 October , 2019 Share Posted 16 October , 2019 1 hour ago, Fattyowls said: The photo was from Wikipedia and is public domain by the way. This one is related to the foregoing but where I found it would be a bit of a giveaway, so I'll wait until it is solved. Should take all of 30 seconds....... A youthful Bill Shankly?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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