Who is This ? ? ?

[Knotty]

23 minutes ago, voltaire60 said:

Alas, not Mengele. Did he serve in Great War?

 

A total mix up by me, I’m still looking for the picture I found with them on....

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Nepper said:

Is it the other one Knotty mentiond? Hoess or Höss

  Yes- Rudolf Hoss- nasty bit of work.  But he served almost throughout the Great  War. A feature of the Nazi regime was that many of the most "German" came from the fringes of Germania or had lived outside of it-  Hess (Alexandria), Goring -Father in German South-West, etc.  As a teenager Hoss served with the Germans in the Ottoman 

forces-inc.the fall of Kut. He held the Ottoman Gallipoli Star- not usually seen in later photographs of him.

    Alas, more widely known for other matters.

 

 

 

      And a later picture of him in better times----  well, better for the rest of humanity that is.

[Stoppage Drill]

27 minutes ago, Fattyowls said:

 

Der Todesengel was born in 1911.

 

The family business was agricultural machinery, the company being based in Bavaria, I think. I used to find it odd, in the 60s and 70s, driving along behind a manglewurzelchopmaschine bearing that name in large letters. The business stuck with the name. You'd have thought they'd change it out of a sense of decency or shame. But that isn't the Bayrische way.

 

Then blow me down, last week I saw an agricultural trailer near Collingbourne Ducis proudly bearing the name, "Mengele".

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Stoppage Drill said:

 

The family business was agricultural machinery, the company being based in Bavaria, I think. I used to find it odd, in the 60s and 70s, driving along behind a manglewurzelchopmaschine bearing that name in large letters. The business stuck with the name. You'd have thought they'd change it out of a sense of decency or shame. But that isn't the Bayrische way.

 

Then blow me down, last week I saw an agricultural trailer near Collingbourne Ducis proudly bearing the name, "Mengele".

 

     Different languages dear boy. Different mindset.  My favourite was at the height of Bader-Meinhof  ( Red Army Faction)-who kidnapped and killed the head of the German equivalent of the CBI-Hand-Martin Schleyer. They photographed him with a placard which, rather unhelpfully, said (translated) "I am being held captive by the RAF"   Lord Trenchard would not be amused.

[Stoppage Drill]

Butch Harris would have seen the funny side.

[Knotty]

3 hours ago, voltaire60 said:

Is it the other one Knotty mentiond? Hoess or Höss

 

Found it L-R Mengele, Hoess and Kramer, right names wrong order

Edited 11 July , 2018 by Knotty

[Uncle George]

3 hours ago, sassenach said:

 

 

Yes, Viscount Lee of Fareham. After a distinguished diplomatic, political and First war career he left Chequers to a grateful nation, for the use of the Prime Minister. Image from here:

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Lee,_1st_Viscount_Lee_of_Fareham

[Guest]

And this chap?     The regiment might give too much of a clue . But you can see the ribbon of the MC.   Our man inadvertently helped with a housing problem........but how???

    

[Uncle George]

21 minutes ago, voltaire60 said:

And this chap?     The regiment might give too much of a clue . But you can see the ribbon of the MC.   Our man inadvertently helped with a housing problem........but how???

    

 

Perhaps this is Ronald Tree: he gave WSC the use of his house, Ditchley, during the Blitz "when the moon was high".

[Guest]

Alas, not Ronald Tree.   Let's make it easier-we need a tonic after the footie

 

here we go- regiment, rank and medal ribbon should narrow it down quite a lot....but the "housing problem"???????

 

[Nepper]

Is it Peter Nissen?

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, Nepper said:

Is it Peter Nissen?

 

   Alas, no-Both man and consequence are/were a little bit grander.

[Andrew Upton]

2 hours ago, voltaire60 said:

And this chap?     The regiment might give too much of a clue . But you can see the ribbon of the MC.   Our man inadvertently helped with a housing problem........but how???

    

 

That does not appear to be the ribbon of the MC, possibly the QSA instead, so potentially a misleading clue there (though I don't know the correct answer).

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Andrew Upton said:

 

That does not appear to be the ribbon of the MC, possibly the QSA instead, so potentially a misleading clue there (though I don't know the correct answer).

 

     Neither do I-obviously.  You are almost certainly right in that the medal is likely to be the QSA.   The person I wanted to put up was Philip Richard Stanhope, thus:

CaptainSTANHOPE, THE HON. RICHARD PHILIP

Died 16/09/1916

Aged 31

3rd Bn. 
Grenadier Guards

Of Revesby Abbey, Boston, Lincs. Son of Arthur Philip, 6th Earl Stanhope, and of Evelyn Countess Stanhope.

 

     What I posted was the pic of him in IWM- which is wrong. The picture in IWM is of his brother, the 7th Earl Stanhope. He had served in the South African War and added MC and DSO during the Great War.  IWM has a card showing the picture with it's correct attribution-so much for looking at what is being catalogued.

 

   P.R.Stanhope was the heir of the 6th Earl Stanhope-and the 7th Earl was his brother. But with no heir-Thus, the Stanhope Estate at Chevening was formed into a trust for providing a residence for a noted public dignitary-not just the Foreign Secretary (which it has effectively become) but any other-and also does not have to a minister at all. Thus, after Viscount Lee of Fareham and Chequers, Chevening and the Stanhopes seemed appropriate.

    Apologies for misreading the MC/QSA ribbon. The IWM I can do nothing about

 

      

 

 

 

 

[Uncle George]

7 hours ago, voltaire60 said:

 

     Neither do I-obviously.  You are almost certainly right in that the medal is likely to be the QSA.   The person I wanted to put up was Philip Richard Stanhope, thus:

CaptainSTANHOPE, THE HON. RICHARD PHILIP

Died 16/09/1916

Aged 31

3rd Bn. 
Grenadier Guards

Of Revesby Abbey, Boston, Lincs. Son of Arthur Philip, 6th Earl Stanhope, and of Evelyn Countess Stanhope.

 

     What I posted was the pic of him in IWM- which is wrong. The picture in IWM is of his brother, the 7th Earl Stanhope. He had served in the South African War and added MC and DSO during the Great War.  IWM has a card showing the picture with it's correct attribution-so much for looking at what is being catalogued.

 

   P.R.Stanhope was the heir of the 6th Earl Stanhope-and the 7th Earl was his brother. But with no heir-Thus, the Stanhope Estate at Chevening was formed into a trust for providing a residence for a noted public dignitary-not just the Foreign Secretary (which it has effectively become) but any other-and also does not have to a minister at all. Thus, after Viscount Lee of Fareham and Chequers, Chevening and the Stanhopes seemed appropriate.

    Apologies for misreading the MC/QSA ribbon. The IWM I can do nothing about

 

      

 

 

 

 

 

I remember reading thar Alan Johnson delivered mail to Chevening as a postman; and years later it was his residence as Home Sec. Just as AH as Chancellor stayed in Vienna's most prestigious hotel (I forget the name); years before as a homeless rough-sleeper he had picked up a few pfennigs shovelling snow from its entrance.

[Uncle George]

We've had this chap before (but a different photograph of him). But who is he, and what is he doing in this current 'houses' sub-theme ? ? ? 

 

I say 'houses'; perhaps 'homes' might be the mot juste. But the pedant would use the word 'habitations'.

[Guest]

  Christopher "Homes Fit for Heroes" Addison

[Knotty]

1st Viscount Addison and his Housing Act of 1919.

 

Bu**er it beaten by MrV

Edited 12 July , 2018 by Knotty

[Uncle George]

29 minutes ago, voltaire60 said:

  Christopher "Homes Fit for Heroes" Addison

 

26 minutes ago, Knotty said:

1st Viscount Addison and his Housing Act of 1919.

 

Bu**er it beaten by MrV

 

Yes - Christopher Addison, the Minister of Reconstruction.

 

Apparently, Ll.G did not use the phrase "Homes Fit For Heroes". No. He said the way less catchy "Habitations fit for the heroes who have won the war":

 

http://www.socialhousinghistory.uk/wp/index.php/homes-fit-for-heroes/

 

Image from here:

 

https://www.sochealth.co.uk/the-socialist-health-association/members/distinguished-members/dr-christopher-addison-1st-viscount-addison/

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

5 hours ago, Knotty said:

1st Viscount Addison and his Housing Act of 1919.

 

Bu**er it beaten by MrV

 

    My legal advisers have advised that it should be made clear that the  phrase "beaten  by Mr V" does  not mean that there has been any infliction of violence ("A beating"), nor should any be inferred  

4 hours ago, Uncle George said:

Apparently, Ll.G did not use the phrase "Homes Fit For Heroes". No. He said the way less catchy "Habitations fit for the heroes who have won the war"

    

     Gosh-  LG  was misleading-How could that possibly happen?

Edited 13 July , 2018 by Guest

[Knotty]

35 minutes ago, voltaire60 said:

My legal advisers......

 

That brought a smile to my face.......and I will reassert that it was not through any beating 

[Fattyowls]

Moving swiftly on, I have seen the phrase "a land fit for heroes to live in" attributed to Lloyd George. Is this a misquote of Addison's phrase?

 

Pete.

[Uncle George]

1 hour ago, Fattyowls said:

Moving swiftly on, I have seen the phrase "a land fit for heroes to live in" attributed to Lloyd George. Is this a misquote of Addison's phrase?

 

Pete.

 

I see that, in a speech in November 1918 Ll.G said, 

 

“What is our task? To make Britain a fit country for heroes to live in. I am not using the word ‘heroes’ in any spirit of boastfulness, but in the spirit of humble recognition of fact. I cannot think what these men have gone through. I have been there at the door of the furnace and witnessed it, but that is not being in it, and I saw them march into the furnace. There are millions of men who will come back. Let us make this a land fit for such men to live in. There is no time to lose. I want us to take advantage of this new spirit. Don’t let us waste this victory merely in ringing joybells.”

 

http://ww1centenary.oucs.ox.ac.uk/body-and-mind/lloyd-georges-ministry-men/

 

I also see that the Ministry of Reconstruction was so called not in reference to building houses:

 

"The term 'reconstruction' was not in the context of rebuilding fallen property, but the reconstruction of how government was organised."

 

http://www.socialhousinghistory.uk/wp/index.php/homes-fit-for-heroes/

 

So that's that one sorted out.

 

[Fattyowls]

Thank you UG, much appreciated. Everything I wanted and more.

 

Pete.

[seaJane]

10 years before the GW began, and 10 years after it ended...