Ron Clifton Posted 17 October , 2018 Share Posted 17 October , 2018 Admiral Sir George Egerton, C-in-C Plymouth? Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 October , 2018 Share Posted 17 October , 2018 42 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: Admiral Sir George Egerton, C-in-C Plymouth? Ron No, not Egerton. "If necessary Dockyard men should be sent away in the ships , to return as opportunity offers." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 17 October , 2018 Share Posted 17 October , 2018 5 hours ago, Uncle George said: Not Sturdee, no. I liked this quote about him: "Fisher had already begun, with characteristic spleen, to blame Sturdee for the faulty staff organization at the Admiralty which, he alleged, had been responsible for Coronel ... " But no. " ... The earliest possible date of completion ... is midnight 13th November ... " I still got it wrong!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 October , 2018 Share Posted 17 October , 2018 3 hours ago, Uncle George said: "If necessary Dockyard men should be sent away in the ships , to return as opportunity offers." Indeed, Churchill's order was obeyed. The greyhounds sailed for South America on November the 11th with the Dockyard workmen still on board. Battle was joined at the Falkland Islands on December the 8th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 17 October , 2018 Share Posted 17 October , 2018 (edited) It must be Godfrey Harry Brydges Mundy, Rear-Admiral and Admiral-Superintendent of Devonport Dockyard in 1914. (Wikipedia on Devonport Dockyard). Edited 17 October , 2018 by rolt968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 17 October , 2018 Share Posted 17 October , 2018 23 minutes ago, rolt968 said: It must be Godfrey Harry Brydges Mundy, Rear-Admiral and Admiral-Superintendent of Devonport Dockyard in 1914. (Wikipedia on Devonport Dockyard). Yes that's the chap. The story may be found in Crispin Gill's 'Plymouth - A New History' (1979) and in Churchill's Official Biography (Volume 3 by Martin Gilbert, 1971). The photograph is from the Dreadnought Project: http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/Godfrey_Harry_Brydges_Mundy I do feel for those poor bloody Yardees, volunteered into such a perilous enterprise. Would they have been entitled to the 14/15 Star, I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 17 October , 2018 Share Posted 17 October , 2018 I suspect we have had this man before. He should be easily recognisable even from a caricature so let's add a bit more. Could you also name his brother who also achieved flag rank, the famous operation in which they both took part and the names of their ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 18 October , 2018 Share Posted 18 October , 2018 The only brothers I can think of are the Fishers, but that's not helping me with the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle George Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 He looks like Blinker Hall but the clues don't fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 (edited) Having seen photos of him I am not totally convinced by the caricature. If you know it's him you can see him, but perhaps not otherwise. Hint: Probably his finest hour was more than ten years after WW1. RM Edited 19 October , 2018 by rolt968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 RM Would it be the Rear Admiral Ernest Gaunt, commander of 1st Battle Squadron at Jutland, who became an Admiral in 1924, and his brother Guy Gaunt, who became a Rear Admiral in 1924 and Admiral in 1928, both were Australian by birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 52 minutes ago, Knotty said: RM Would it be the Rear Admiral Ernest Gaunt, commander of 1st Battle Squadron at Jutland, who became an Admiral in 1924, and his brother Guy Gaunt, who became a Rear Admiral in 1924 and Admiral in 1928, both were Australian by birth. Interesting but no. Hint 2: The event in which the two brothers took part was early in the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 If it's any help the caricature is the work of Capt. J E Broome DSC. I don't know when he drew it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 Hmm. Two of the three Dewars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 1 hour ago, seaJane said: Hmm. Two of the three Dewars? No. Hint 3: Almost at the same time as our man's possible "finest hour" the brother (and his wife) were ship wrecked in embarrassing circumstances. RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 19 October , 2018 Share Posted 19 October , 2018 Another hint? Two brothers who commanded two sister (or near-) sister ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 20 October , 2018 Share Posted 20 October , 2018 (edited) On 19/10/2018 at 22:25, rolt968 said: Another hint? Two brothers who commanded two sister (or near-) sister ships? 1914 - Not in home waters? Very, very early in the war in 1914! And possibly just before war broke out? Edited 21 October , 2018 by rolt968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 21 October , 2018 Share Posted 21 October , 2018 My man's "finest hour" and his brother's embarrassing shipwreck were in late 1931. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 21 October , 2018 Share Posted 21 October , 2018 On 19/10/2018 at 10:41, Uncle George said: He looks like Blinker Hall but the clues don't fit. I believe the brother worked for Blinker Hall at one time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 21 October , 2018 Share Posted 21 October , 2018 It's a blinding W.I.T. and I can't fault the clues, but despite my best efforts I just can't crack it. Not giving up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassenach Posted 21 October , 2018 Share Posted 21 October , 2018 Nothing to do with the events at Invergordon, I suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 21 October , 2018 Share Posted 21 October , 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, sassenach said: Nothing to do with the events at Invergordon, I suppose? You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment. Well I could - getting a lot nearer. That's why I thought it should be easy Edited 21 October , 2018 by rolt968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 21 October , 2018 Share Posted 21 October , 2018 (edited) On 17 October 2018 at 18:52, rolt968 said: I suspect we have had this man before. He should be easily recognisable even from a caricature so let's add a bit more. Could you also name his brother who also achieved flag rank, the famous operation in which they both took part and the names of their ships? John Donald Kelly, HMS Dublin and William Archibald Howard Kelly, HMS Gloucester. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kelly_(Royal_Navy_officer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Kelly_(Royal_Navy_officer) WAH Kelly was on board HMS Petersfield when it ran aground 11 November 1931: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Petersfield JP Edited 21 October , 2018 by helpjpl to add correct link for John Donald Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolt968 Posted 21 October , 2018 Share Posted 21 October , 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, helpjpl said: John Donald Kelly, HMS Dublin and William Archibald Howard Kelly, HMS Gloucester. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kelly_(Royal_Navy_officer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Kelly_(Royal_Navy_officer) WAH Kelly was on board HMS Petersfield when it ran aground 11 November 1931: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Petersfield JP Well done. I thought the 1931 links should make it easier. Both were involved in the pursuit of the Goeben at the very beginning of the war. If anyone has missed it. "Joe" Kelly's "finest hour" was his handling of the Invergordon Mutiny. The caricature is from Fabulous Admirals which has a section on both brothers but no picture of Howard Kelly. Jack Broome did the illustrations for Fabulous Admirals. I wondered if some of them were earlier work since he did caricatures of senior naval people (not all of which were viewed with favour, I gather) while he was still serving. RM Edited 21 October , 2018 by rolt968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 21 October , 2018 Share Posted 21 October , 2018 Cracking WIT RM, and well done JP for cracking it. There’s still plenty of life in this thread, it’s just getting harder😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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