Ron Clifton Posted 15 June , 2018 Share Posted 15 June , 2018 On the Stock Exchange-yes. On the poker tables in Las Vegas- yes. On your tax return-yes. On GWF- No!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep that clicking finger away from the mouse. GUEST You have got your yesses and noes 100% wrong. But if you don't want us to use the mouse you should give us some proper clues, not just a photo and "he had to endure the consequences of his actions". That would certainly apply to Kaiser Bill, and as a teacher you should know that you have to ask questions which have precise unique answers! Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 15 June , 2018 Share Posted 15 June , 2018 (edited) Ron - Thank you for the corrections re. the correct ways of criminality. You speak from experience? Clues? You want clues as well? Oh,alright then Served in Africa. Served on the Somme. . Had a loud voice Described as gauche. Represented the observatory. He wrote post-war that fellow generals (big clue) who were unsuccessful should have been executed. 1 hour ago, Ron Clifton said: On the Stock Exchange-yes. On the poker tables in Las Vegas- yes. On your tax return-yes Ron, it's called "merchant banking" Edited 15 June , 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 15 June , 2018 Share Posted 15 June , 2018 1 hour ago, Ron Clifton said: as a teacher you should know that you have to ask questions which have precise unique answers! Don't be vague,ask for Haig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 15 June , 2018 Share Posted 15 June , 2018 Ok been in the library, and we have no restriction ......back to the job in hand WIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 June , 2018 Share Posted 16 June , 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Knotty said: Suggests he is French? Peut-etre............. Caramba! Vrai And here he is - Cannot be absolutely sure of the location but probably the Camp de Mailly Weight- Watchers Club, just limbering up for the post-lunch exercises (In France, post-lunch exercises are called "Dinner") with Joffre ..."Calorie? Qu'est que-c'est calorie?" (And I cannot resit this "translation" of part of a French official biography of him: "Wounded in the Vosges at the head of his group of alpine hunters July 27, 1915, he was soon promoted colonel and took command of the 6 th brigade of foot hunters." Edited 16 June , 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knotty Posted 16 June , 2018 Share Posted 16 June , 2018 Hi Mr V Another fine WIT that has kept me intrigued, then I found that your second picture is of Joffre with the man who was Minister for War out the outbreak, one Adolphe Messimy, he resign at the beginning of September 1914 just before the Miracle of the Marne, ending up commanding in the Army, it took a while to find the photo but got it from here https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/la-marche-de-l-histoire/la-marche-de-l-histoire-11-novembre-2015. He was definitely a colourful character both politically and militarily as his history shows, and there is a copy of the first photo you submitted. https://wikivividly.com/wiki/Adolphe_Messimy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 June , 2018 Share Posted 16 June , 2018 Well done Knotty. Certainly a bombastic character- with some principle somewhere deep down, resigned as a career army officer on the refusal to grant Dreyfus a retrial after the Esterhazy stuff turned up. Represented the 14th Aronidssement- called "Observatoire"-hence the clue. A mixture of extreme Left and extreme right "patriotic" views- considered Left, hence the "Gauche" clue. Had the consequences of his won actions by putting France into the war but having the decency to return to the colours- quite a good war record. And an advertisement for the plan to chuck Napoleon's tomb out of the Hopital des Invalides and make it the French Army Moustache Museum instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 Now for a hum-dinger. One of the lesser known leaders of the Great War. Responsible for the entry of his country as a beligerent power in the Great War. On the side of the Allied and Associated Powers. Shouldn't take too much working out- you want clues as well? You lucky people! OK- the total of the armed forces he commanded was less than that of a British infantry battalion in total. His armed forces had absolutely no effect whatsoever on the naval war. His national contribution to the Great War is chiefly remembered for an event in 1958. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 (edited) Pope Benedict XV? Ron Edited 17 June , 2018 by Ron Clifton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepper Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 1 hour ago, Ron Clifton said: Pope Benedict XV? Ron That was my first thought but from what I've read Benedict XV wasn't half the size of this man. From the clue given i take it the country doesn't have a navy, so somewhere landlocked. Is San Marino a theocracy (assuming we're in Europe)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 I think we've cracked it! Juan Benlloch i Vivó, who was Bishop of Urgel, and therefore co-ruler of Andorra, from 1906 to 1919. For some reason Andorra was left out of the Treaty of Versailles and remained technically in a state of war with Germany until 1958. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 Well done, chaps. Something of a Greg Chapell/Tervor Chapell underarm ball- sneaky but within the rules but not the spirit. Yes, Andorra it is. Jointly ruled by France and Spain, the latter's rule being done through Our Chap. With an army (Well spotted that it had no navy-Alas, being landlocked may not have been the reason-Ethiopia is currently trying to set up a navy and the Swiss Jack is well-known to mariners) - yes, an army of 600, not allowed to serve "overseas"- No such thing as an Imperial Service Obligation for them. Having been leaned on by France to "join" the Allied cause in 1917, it failed to scare the Central Powers into an immediate surrender. But it did get left out of the peace treaties and so,technically, stayed at war with German (presumably both East and West after 1945) until the matter was corrected (I think Germany surrendered but I might be wrong on that) Alas, a bit of work suggests that the obvious connection is not there- Of course,the 1959 film "The Mouse That Roared" with Peter Sellers, Margaret Rutherford and Billy Hartnell. While the connection looks obvious, the book upon which the film was based was,alas published before the Andorran-German Rapprochement. But it's a good excuse to post the pic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepper Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 36 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: I think we've cracked it! Juan Benlloch i Vivó, who was Bishop of Urgel, and therefore co-ruler of Andorra, from 1906 to 1919. For some reason Andorra was left out of the Treaty of Versailles and remained technically in a state of war with Germany until 1958. Ron Never thought of Andorra. So still at war with Germany until 1958, a reality or more of a Berwick on Tweed extended Crimean conflict story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 26 minutes ago, Nepper said: Never thought of Andorra. So still at war with Germany until 1958, a reality or more of a Berwick on Tweed extended Crimean conflict story? It had,apparently, not dawned on the Germans in particular- Andorra was neutral in the Second World War, while the Germans might have invaded and occupied. It is probable that the Germans were aware of the glitch but neutral states have their uses in wartime-let alone one ruled jointly between a country occupied (France) and a fellow traveller (Francoist Spain) As for Berwick- I think the population is conducting a vigorous campaign against the German aggressor. I note that -according to Mr. Google- Berwick has Iceland,Asda, Tesco and Morrison (and Farmfoods-doesn't count as it is so hopeless) BUT NOT Aldi or Lidl. Obviously German plans for world conquest are running scared of the continuing threat posed by Berwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 3 hours ago, Nepper said: Never thought of Andorra. So still at war with Germany until 1958, a reality or more of a Berwick on Tweed extended Crimean conflict story? It was your query about San Marino which put me on the right track. There aren't many landlocked countries in Europe who were likely to be on the Allied side - Liechtenstein, like Switzerland, was neutral and that really only left Andorra. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 June , 2018 Share Posted 17 June , 2018 2 hours ago, Ron Clifton said: It was your query about San Marino which put me on the right track. There aren't many landlocked countries in Europe who were likely to be on the Allied side - Liechtenstein, like Switzerland, was neutral and that really only left Andorra. Ron Liectenstein was officially neutral but it used Austrian currency and the A-H government regulated its external relations- AH railways ran across Liectenstein without border controls-which,if I recollect,were also controlled by AH Customs. Thus, HMG took the view that it was not neutral and it was blockaded. After the war,Liectenstein changed over to the Swiss franc and much the same arrangements with a new best friend in Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 18 June , 2018 Share Posted 18 June , 2018 And this chap? He stayed on through the war so that a British officer of the Regular Army could continue in place. He did not come under fire during the war- but he did shortly before when shot at by a very disgruntled local native. who blamed him for taking away his job. Curiously, he had to deal with another uprising later in the war by some seriously unpleasant men- which led to his eventual resignation from post. No,it's not Nigel Davenport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 18 June , 2018 Share Posted 18 June , 2018 Augustine Birrell, Chief Secretary for Ireland? Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Margaretnolan Posted 18 June , 2018 Share Posted 18 June , 2018 What is the cross/medal/badge on his left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 18 June , 2018 Share Posted 18 June , 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ron Clifton said: Augustine Birrell, Chief Secretary for Ireland? Ron Not Gus- The order is, I believe, KCVO which our chap had A further clue- he had a finger in many,many people's lives. Edited 18 June , 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 19 June , 2018 Share Posted 19 June , 2018 Not Lord Woolton of the pie?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 June , 2018 Share Posted 19 June , 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, seaJane said: Not Lord Woolton of the pie?? Alas, not Fred Marquis either (Shurely wrong war? Ed.) If you think about it, you should be able to put your finger on the answer. Mark, Dick and Warren should be able to guide you. Edited 19 June , 2018 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 June , 2018 Share Posted 19 June , 2018 19 minutes ago, helpjpl said: Edward Richard Henry? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Henry Classification and Uses of Finger Prints, E.R. Henry, 1900: https://archive.org/stream/classificationa01henrgoog#page/n4/mode/2up JP BINGO!! Not a serving officer of the armed forces-an ex- taxman from the Raj. But an effective head of the Met. He stayed on so that his designated successor, Macready, could in turn stay on as AG-though at the end of the war, he succeeded Henry anyway-forced into resignation after the police strike. He was attacked and shot twice by an irate Black Cabbie (= disgruntled native) who had been refused a licence. Henry pleaded to the court for clemency when the man was charged with attempted murder-subsequently sent to chokey for 15 years-after which Henry aided him with money to emigrate and start a new life (in the US,I believe-hopefully not as a New York cabbie). Henry was prominent in the introduction of fingerprinting- in its time as revolutionary for policing as DNA in our times. Dick, Mark and Warren are,of course, all surnames of other holders of the commissioner's job. Though a civilian, he was,of course, heavily involved in many activities that form part of the history of the Great War- WRSC, Zeppelins, bombing,anti-German riots-the usual run of deserters and renegades, etc. Well done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 19 June , 2018 Share Posted 19 June , 2018 1 hour ago, Ron Clifton said: The job was also held by Viscount Byng, Lord Trenchard and Sir William Horwood (who had been Provost-Marshal of the BEF). Ron That would make it too easy Ron- the trick was that their surnames are also used as first names! Just to mislead the unwary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 20 June , 2018 Share Posted 20 June , 2018 And this chap? No- not the founder of the Tommy Cooper Impersonator's Therapy Group. A Great War veteran, lost the use of 2 fingers with a bullet in his arm. Served with a Northern infantry regiment. He was a Nazi spy in the Second World War. And he has a connection to the actor Paul Bettany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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