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neverforget
48 minutes ago, Knotty said:

Inspired by NF, and searching here’s another MC winner, nothing major notable  but an interesting pedigree and career, this is for starters :-

A member of the aristocracy he was born in France and pre-war served in the Austro-Hungarian Army for several years.

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His c.v. rings a bell for sure, but my memory completely fails me.

The search begins 

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1 hour ago, Knotty said:

Inspired by NF, and searching here’s another MC winner, nothing major notable  but an interesting pedigree and career, this is for starters :-

A member of the aristocracy he was born in France and pre-war served in the Austro-Hungarian Army for several years.

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William  Orpen was the artist...so a narrow clientele. His portrait of Sir Adrian carton de Wiart* is possibly the definitive image of WWI Officers.  I shan't spoil it...

 

* His water colours owe a lot to William Russell Flint. A brilliant and bad artist at the same time. Did some interesting RNAS sketches. A wasted talent in the Great War. I digress.

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Knotty
40 minutes ago, QGE said:

I shan't spoil it.

 

Thanks MG:thumbsup:

A portrait not often seen.

Edited by Knotty

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Fattyowls

I know John's mystery officer and Carton de Wiart VC are only a sample of two but both of them look less than cheery. I suppose if you'd been wounded as many times as C de W you'd look grumpy. Still haven't got a clue who the first man is but it's been v. educational.

 

Pete.

 

P.S. I've just looked up Flint and found a picture of Watergate St in Chester which surprised me for some reason. I'd not come across him before and the websites I found look showed a very varied set of paintings. Some reminded me of Alma-Tadema, some I couldn't begin to describe.

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neverforget
2 hours ago, QGE said:

 

William  Orpen was the artist...so a narrow clientele. His portrait of Sir Adrian carton de Wiart* is possibly the definitive image of WWI Officers.  I shan't spoil it...

 

* His water colours owe a lot to William Russell Flint. A brilliant and bad artist at the same time. Did some interesting RNAS sketches. A wasted talent in the Great War. I digress.

Orpen's portraits are instantly recognisable for sure. I think your tongue was firmly in cheek when you said that this narrowed it down, he being so incredibly prolific.

I absolutely recognise this chap, both by the picture, and the profile that Nohn has given him, but cannot for the life of me bring him to mind.

Once I had disclosed that Bagot-Chester was a Gurkha officer, I fully expected you to come in and nail him.

His account of the action at the mosque reminded me of the Alamo.

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Knotty

My contender for WIT was precluded from enlisting and fighting for his country of birth on political grounds.

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neverforget
12 hours ago, Knotty said:

My contender for WIT was precluded from enlisting and fighting for his country of birth on political grounds.

I think I have him John, though he wasn't the person my faulty memory was trying to recollect.

Prince Antoine d'Orleans et Braganza?

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Knotty

Well done NF that’s the fellow

As I said what a strange pedigree, it gets better to find out he was with the CEF, then into the RFC, finishing up as a-d-c for “Warhorse” Seely’s staff,before going to the War Office. Tragically killed in an air accident a fortnight after the Armistice.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Antônio_Gastão_of_Orléans-Braganza

The link probably doesn’t do him and his career justice, so I personally would like to find ut some more.

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neverforget

I see that his full name was quite a mouthful, Antônio Gastão Luiz Filipe Francisco de Assis Maria Miguel Rafael Gabriel Gonzaga. No wonder his family preferred to call him Toto.

As you say quite a colourful background.

Extensive library information about him does seem to be rather sparse though.

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neverforget

Allo allo, what have we here then.

This chap's contribution to the war may have been slightly overstated, but credit where credit's due, he probably did save about half a million lives, and brought the end of the war forward by a considerable amount.

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Knotty

Evening all

Ok NF I’ll make a start and say that with your opening, it looks like he was definitely a member of the Constabulary, but god knows which one!

Half a million lives saved initially suggest he was either a politician or military strategist, I'm probably barking up the wrong tree.

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neverforget

He was a Welsh copper, but no military strategist or politician.

His claim to fame stems from a discovery he inadvertently made whilst serving as a soldier.

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EDWARD1

Lt Ernest Rollings discovered the Defence Plans of the Hindenberg Line

Eddie

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voltaire60
2 minutes ago, EDWARD1 said:

Lt Ernest Rollings discovered the Defence Plans of the Hindenberg Line

Eddie

 

  And got shot in the head-  in army service rather than a particularly nasty Saturday night somewhere in the Principality. A great story about finding the plans- but it begs the question I have raised elsewhere on Forum- Where is all this captured German documents stuff from the Great War????   Destroyed, still locked away?  Best offer so far is that it was chucked out en masse  with the culling of the Quatermaster-General's library in the early 1960s. Not so sure about that- so any references to captured German docs.post-war would be welcome from Forum pals

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neverforget

Rollings it is. Already featured on the forum but until now not on W.I.T.

"Never let the facts get in the way of a good story", and this is indeed a good story.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welshman-whose-extraordinary-discovery-ended-14005343

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Knotty

Moving away from UK personnel, this chap was both a winner and loser of battles, and he later became a national turncoat but was removed, he even had a penchant  to rewrite his history.

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Fattyowls
5 hours ago, neverforget said:

Rollings it is. Already featured on the forum but until now not on W.I.T.

"Never let the facts get in the way of a good story", and this is indeed a good story.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welshman-whose-extraordinary-discovery-ended-14005343

 

A Welsh scrum half told me of a rugby tour which degenerated into a very drunken sing song in a boozer. The constabulary were called and the wise old sergeant said to the team: "Lads, there's nothing like a good sing song, and this is nothing like a good sing song". Everybody dissolved into laughter and the singers got down off the tables, pulled up their trousers and not another off key note was sung.

 

There's nothing like a good WW1 story and this is nothing like a good WW1 story. It's so inaccurate it's hard to know where to start......

 

Good post though when you peel back the tissue of lies and the farrago of half truths.

 

Pete.

Edited by Fattyowls
Original grammar of a language other than English

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voltaire60
32 minutes ago, Fattyowls said:

There's nothing like a good WW1 story and this is nothing like a good WW1 story. It's so inaccurate it's hard to know where to start......

 

Good post though when you peel back the tissue of lies and the farrago of half truths.

 

 

     Try the story  of Colonel A.P.Scotland (London Cage) and the tale in "Blackwoods" about him serving as Schottland in German South West.  It was "bo****s  that would  adorn an African elephant.

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neverforget

 

54 minutes ago, voltaire60 said:

 

 "bo****s  that would  adorn an African elephant.

As no doubt were Pietro Badoglio's accounts of the battle of Caporetto, which I think is the answer to John's post #7698.

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Knotty

Indeed it is NF, first time I have come across a large portrait in

 his younger years.

 

Pietro Badoglio - Prime Minister of Italy 1943-1944, following the removal of Mussolini. Signed an Armistice with the Allies in July 1943 and declared Italy to be at war with Germany in October. He was removed from government in 1944 due to his previous involvement with the Fascists. 

When Italy entered WW1, Badoglio was already a Lt-Colonel in the Royal Army and he was promoted to General in May 1916 following his role in the capture of Monte Sabotino. Partially due to his Masonic connections, he was further promoted to Vice Chief-of-Staff of the Army and he bore some of the responsibility for the Italian Army’s disastrous defeat at the Battle of Caporetto in October 1917. For several years after the war, he used his position to attempt to censor and alter official military documents in order to conceal his role in that lost battle.

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Uncle George

Teddy Roosevelt: “If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.”

 

Who might this be ? ? ?

 

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neverforget
19 minutes ago, Uncle George said:

Teddy Roosevelt: “If you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.”

 

Who might this be ? ? ?

 

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That's a clue that may take a moment or two to fathom. Are you sure the quote's source is Roosevelt and not my wife? 

Good to see you back Uncle George.

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Uncle George
10 minutes ago, neverforget said:

That's a clue that may take a moment or two to fathom. Are you sure the quote's source is Roosevelt and not my wife? 

Good to see you back Uncle George.

 

Thanks nf. Yes, apparently the quote's from Teddy. Chuck Colson, he of Watergate, had it framed in his office. What a generous and fair-minded man he was.

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neverforget
12 hours ago, Uncle George said:

Teddy Roosevelt: “If you've got them by the balls, 

 

 

He does appear to be incredibly young. Perhaps his hadn't yet descended?

I did wonder if it might be the young Bradford V.C. Other than that I'm struggling.

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Uncle George
1 hour ago, neverforget said:

He does appear to be incredibly young. Perhaps his hadn't yet descended?

I did wonder if it might be the young Bradford V.C. Other than that I'm struggling.

 

Not Bradford.

 

That 'hearts and minds' sentiment was used without cynicism, burning bright, later than Roosevelt's day; before the Nixonian carryon.

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