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heatherannej
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Hello there. Can anyone provide me with further information on this subject please?

I have a family 'certificate' relating to a great uncle, which has his Lijssenthoek Military Cemetery register entry segment stuck in the middle of it. I hadn't really considered it further, I had just accepted it for what it was.

Recently, I have been given some research information which has included an order form for, what I can only guess is, this certificate. Can anyone throw more light on this for me please?

Many thanks in anticipation ..... Heather

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Someone else may be able to give more information on this point, but the Certificate was, I think, something which could be purchased from one of the various firms specialising in memorial certificates. The firm would cut the relevant individual's entry from an Imperial War Graves Commission cemetery/memorial register and attach it in the centre in order to personalise it.

This has no connection with the order form below, which is a direct application to the IWGC for a complete printed register of the war graves in North and Central Essex, including Great Clacton Cemetery (which was likelly Essex no.144). Did your family have a relative buried there?

Clive

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Hello Clive .... that's very interesting - to realise that the Lijssenthoek memorial certificate is not connected to the IWGC at all! I have known that you can purchase whole registers today but it is interesting to know that this has always been offered. For the record, the IWGC Order Form is just one sheet of paper - on the reverse, it has a label with the casualty's family's address typed on and was folded in such a way that it could be put in the post. There is no date visible to identify when this was posted. I know that it took a good many years for cemeteries and memorials to be inaugurated but, in the case of Clacton Town Cemetery, perhaps a register was produced earlier rather than later? Or perhaps all registers were produced at the same time?

No, I have no family buried there Clive. I am researching local WW1 Home hospitals around Colchester and different people are 'crossing my path' .... 2 being the first two deaths at the Middlesex Military Hospital at Clacton-on-Sea. Well ... it is the people who are my main interest. The Order Form belongs to one of the lads' families .... the lad who died second (not local).

Heather

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Heather

The extract from the register on the certificate is the same as the "slip proof" that appeared on the IWGC order form. It is interesting to note that you could not purchase a register without the form, including slip proof, although with the form you could buy multiple copies.

I do not know when it became possible for non NOK to purchase registers.

The Canadian Government automatically sent a free copy of the register to NOK, British and Australians had the option to purchase.

Peter

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Hi Peter ..... this is all very interesting. Bearing in mind the order form requirement, how could the companies that Clive spoke of obtain copies of the register? I suppose by negotiating with families, getting them to order extra copies? I suppose that one copy of each Cemetery Register would suffice?

Any observations gratefully received, as it is helping me understand the subject plus I am passing on all I discover to the family who have treasured this (now very fragile) simple piece of paper for generations ...... Heather

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Heather

Since the proof slip is missing from the IWGC form it must be possible that the NOK removed that slip and added it to the certificate supplied by the company which otherwise has no name on it but must have been ordered with the cemetery photo attached.

Peter

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Sorry Peter ...

that's me leading you up the garden path completely :-( As the form doesn't belong to me, I erased the proof-slip on the jpg image, sorry :-( ..... Additionally, the certificate is one that belongs to my family and has no connection to the Order Form family.

What do you reckon happened though? .... did my great-grandparents receive the Order Form with their son's Lissenthoek details; ordered a blank certificate; then stuck on the proof-slip?

That said, the certificate is Lijssenthoek orientated i.e. the main image centre bottom is of the Lissenthoek Military Cemetery! To date I haven't discovered anything from online searches.

Heather

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Heather

You could hold the certificate up to a bright light and look at it from the back. If there is printing on the back of the slip it is inconclusive but if there is no printing on the back then it is not cut from a register.

Peter

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Thanks Peter ..... I will do that - one of my sisters has the original so I'll track it down. That has helped. Much obliged Heather

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