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ROD WEALE

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I have been asked to investigate whether a local man who emigrated to Australia just before the war and who died with the AIF can be added to the local WM. Has anyone any experience getting a name added?

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Rod

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They are indeed which is why I used one but found too many contradictory answers that I thought I might get some more accurate and helpful info' from the Forum

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.... and you might get contradictory answers here, because there was no set definition of who was "accepted" for local War Memorials! They were mostly funded by public subscription so a generous donor might "suggest" that her sister/aunt/other relatives son be included even though they had no other connection to the area. Sometimes other (now unknown) considerations might influence who was/was not included. Perhaps the family refused to permit their sons Name be added because of now forgotten reasons.

What could be said is that virtually every local War Memorial had Names that researchers now find hard to understand who or why they are on it, and why others, with obvious connections to the area, are not! Just be mindful that because you think you have found one, there may also be several others with possibly similar justification. Where do you draw the line?

There are some that say adding a Name to a War Memorial is interfering with decisions made almost 100 years ago.

Often, a less contentious solution is simply to provide a Roll of Honour for ALL local men and women, with as much information as possible, so that they are no longer an initial and surname that no one can now discover who they were.

But I don't think its for us to make your decision, if the Council/Church or whatever decide to add him, I can't see that as "wrong". Your local War Memorial, your local decision.

Obviously, should you want to add panels commemorating local men who fell in subsequent conflicts, Korea, Cyprus, Bosnia, Iraq or Afghanistan, then I feel that is a different situation.

EDIT: I see you are already heavily involved in researching your local men.. http://www.cranleighwarmemorial.org/

A quick trawl through CWGC for Cranleigh produces 90 men, a little short of yours, but there may be some new Names here for you to consider..

ANSCOMBE C E 24 30/10/1917 Private Canadian Infantry
APTED EARDLEY E 33 01/08/1917 Captain The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
AYLING FREDERICK THOMAS F T 19 04/10/1917 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
AYLING JOHN J 21 25/09/1915 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
BARNETT HENRY ERNEST H E 38 20/07/1916 Private Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
BARTLETT ARTHUR WILLIAM A W 19 02/06/1918 Rifleman Rifle Brigade
BARTLETT E 48 12/02/1918 Private Middlesex Regiment
BATE CECIL FRANCIS C F 26 10/07/1918 Serjeant Royal Air Force
BONSEY ARTHUR A. A A 19 24/03/1918 Private Royal Irish Fusiliers
BOOTH HERBERT H 25 27/05/1918 Gunner Royal Garrison Artillery
BOXALL ROLAND ERNEST R E 27 26/11/1914 Able Seaman Royal Navy
BUCK NELSON N 26 09/08/1918 Private Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
BUCKINGHAM HENRY H 41 20/12/1917 Lieutenant Hampshire Regiment
BUCKMAN JESSE GEORGE J G 37 29/03/1918 Private Essex Regiment
BULL JOHN LIONEL ROBIN J L R 21 30/11/1917 Second Lieutenant King's Royal Rifle Corps
CACKETT ALFRED EDWARD A E 20 23/04/1917 Lance Corporal The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
CHARMAN GEORGE G 21 25/09/1915 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
COATES GEORGE HENRY G H 41 25/12/1915 Captain Durham Light Infantry
COLLINS JAMES HENRY WILLIAM J H W 22 M C 06/05/1917 Second Lieutenant The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment
COLLINS ROBERT R 38 14/06/1917 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
COX E 26 05/05/1918 Private Grenadier Guards
CURTIS HENRY EDWARD H E 28 21/02/1917 Second Lieutenant Royal Engineers
DENYER LLEWELLYN ENSTONE WILFRED L E W 19 30/05/1918 Private Durham Light Infantry
DICKER FREDRICK JOHN F J 18 26/01/1919 Private Bedfordshire Regiment
DOBSON WILFRED JAMES W J 38 09/07/1916 Captain Canadian Infantry
EAMES G 15/11/1917 Pioneer Royal Engineers
EAMES STEVEN S 26 28/03/1918 Private Lancashire Fusiliers
EATON A W 19 13/06/1916 Private Canadian Infantry
EDWARDS W 19 01/10/1918 Private Royal Fusiliers
FLACK W J 26 16/08/1917 Private Royal Berkshire Regiment
FOSTER GILBERT VICTOR G V 31 21/04/1917 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
GAMBLIN ERNEST FRANK E F 18 19/07/1916 Private Royal Warwickshire Regiment
GAMBLIN HENRY CHARLES H C 25 07/03/1919 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
GAMBLIN WILLIAM JOHN W J 27 06/03/1919 Private Hampshire Regiment
GRAY FREDERICK WILLIAM F W 43 M C 21/08/1915 Second Lieutenant Dorset Yeomanry (Queen's Own)
GREENFIELD ALBERT FRANK A F 22 13/07/1916 Company Serjeant Major The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
GREENFIELD HARRY H 26 M M 01/07/1916 Lance Corporal The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
GREENFIELD PERCY P 20 13/07/1916 Serjeant The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
HALLIDAY HENRY HAYDEN H H 29 10/02/1918 Private Hampshire Regiment
HARVEY REGINALD R 29 21/09/1918 Private Royal Sussex Regiment
HASLETT ALEXANDER A 32 26/09/1917 Serjeant The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
HEATHER DOUGLAS WILLIAM D W 19 07/07/1915 Private Wellington Regiment, N.Z.E.F.
HEDGER ALBERT JAMES A J 19 28/09/1918 Lance Corporal Royal Fusiliers
HEDGER R P 19 18/08/1918 Private Lincolnshire Regiment
HENLEY J 25/09/1915 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
HODGKINSON HANS GERALD H G 22 18/10/1917 Lieutenant Duke of Wellington's (West Riding Regiment)
HOWICK W 30 30/04/1916 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
JOHNSON ALAN ARCHIBALD A A 22 30/12/1917 Lieutenant Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve
KILLICK WILFRID JOHN W J 24 01/07/1916 Corporal The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
KNOCK HARRY H 29 27/10/1918 Lance Bombardier Royal Field Artillery
LAWSON ARTHUR CYRIL A C 20 06/07/1917 Second Lieutenant Rifle Brigade
LIBBITER G 19 18/04/1918 Private Coldstream Guards
LUXFORD JAMES J 35 12/12/1918 Gunner Royal Garrison Artillery
MANFIELD ALBERT ARCHIBALD A A 24 01/07/1916 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
MARINER SAMUEL S 23 30/11/1918 Lance Bombardier Royal Garrison Artillery
MERCER EDWARD ALLAN E A 21 22/09/1914 Stoker 1st Class Royal Navy
MERRY WILLIAM FRANCIS W F 23 24/05/1915 Private 4th Dragoon Guards (Royal Irish)
MILLS ALFRED DANIEL A D 36 04/05/1916 Company Sergeant Major Canadian Infantry
NOAKES HARRY H 28 09/08/1918 Serjeant Hampshire Regiment
PELLING RALPH R 25 29/10/1914 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
PERRY SIDNEY S 33 26/04/1918 Driver Royal Engineers
PICKWORTH ARTHUR WILLIAM A W 19 28/09/1918 Second Lieutenant London Regiment (Queen's Westminster Rifles)
PORT GEORGE ALFRED G A 33 08/10/1916 Private Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment)
PULLINGER JAMES J 30 15/02/1917 Private Suffolk Regiment
RENAUD EMILE E 26 15/07/1916 Serjeant The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
RIDLEY HENRY QUENTIN H Q 34 12/10/1917 Lieutenant Australian Infantry, A.I.F.
SADLER WILLIAM EDWARD W E 18 08/05/1915 Second Lieutenant South Lancashire Regiment
SAVAGE JOHN GEOFFREY J G 28 24/07/1916 Second Lieutenant Royal Garrison Artillery
SMITHERS ERNEST ARTHUR E A 26 25/03/1917 Shoeing Smith 21st (Empress of India's) Lancers
SPARKES FRANK ALBERT ALLAN F A A 27 09/04/1917 Private Middlesex Regiment
SPARKES WALTER JOHN W J 29 10/09/1916 Private South Staffordshire Regiment
STEDMAN FRANK HENRY F H 19 29/09/1918 Rifleman King's Royal Rifle Corps
STEMP ALBERT A 31 23/03/1917 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
STENNING WILLIAM W 23 02/07/1916 Rifleman King's Royal Rifle Corps
STENNING WILLIAM EDWARD W E 19 03/12/1917 Driver Royal Field Artillery
STEPHENS GEORGE HARRY G H 24 07/11/1914 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
STEVENS FRANK F 22 01/07/1916 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
STEVENS JAMES EDWARD J E 32 23/06/1917 Gunner Royal Field Artillery
STONE ERNEST CALEB E C 28 16/05/1915 Lance Corporal Bedfordshire Regiment
SURMAN JAMES J 22 14/02/1916 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) - SURHAM???
TICKNER ARTHUR GEORGE A G 19 05/01/1917 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
TIDY ALFRED JAMES A J 46 14/02/1915 Private East Surrey Regiment
TIDY FREDERICK THOMAS F T 20 08/08/1915 Private Gloucestershire Regiment
TRATT THOMAS JAMES PHILIP T J P 28 08/03/1918 Private Royal Sussex Regiment
TUGWELL HARRY H 23 26/12/1915 Lance Corporal Wiltshire Regiment
TUNNELL WALTER W 24 02/04/1917 Private The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)
TURNER GEORGE EDWARD G E 37 25/03/1918 Private Northumberland Fusiliers
WALTHEW JOHN SYERS J S 19 19/09/1917 Second Lieutenant Royal Flying Corps
WINDIBANK PERCY HENRY P H 28 15/01/1917 Able Seaman Royal Navy
WORSFOLD ALBERT A 24 14/09/1914 Driver Army Service Corps
Obviously you may already have looked through these and discounted them, so I hope I haven't found some new ones for you!
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As the originator of the previous thread above said before locking it it can be an emotive and difficult issue which has been discussed many times on the forum and inevitably promotes strong views on both sides of the argument.

That is why you will find contradictory views on the principle but not necessarily on the process.

As far as local memorials are concerned there are few 'rules', unlike say the CWGC where there is a strict criteria for adding names to the R of H database.

It seems to me there are however some practical considerations before you start, for example:-

Who owns the memorial?

Who paid for it, who looks after it?

Is there a precedent for adding names?

What was the original criteria, do any records exist?

Why was he not added originally? Did the family have religious or political objections to a name being included?

etc. etc.

I'm in the no camp so am not able to offer guidance as to the process.

However I acknowledge there is a wealth of experience of getting names added to memorials on the forum which as noted above can be readily found by a forum search e.g. here's another two where it's discussed at length

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=188074&hl=+adding%20+names%20+war%20+memorials

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=147784&hl=%2Badding+%2Bnames+%2Bwar+%2Bmemorials#entry1417494

Ken

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As I've mentioned before, I was always in two minds about trying to get my great uncle's name inscribed on the local memorial. In the end, I did try and was successful. I remain unconvinced that I did the right thing.

There will be many men who have a connection with an area and who are not commemorated on a civic memorial there. I have identified many such in Stockport - at least 43 just whose surname starts with "A".

Ken's summary seems an accurate description of the likely consideration process. FWIW, the borough council is currently discussing its future policy. In essence, it will say that:

1) the man must have been born or lived in the borough

2) it must be practical to add the name to a particular memorial

3) the applicant must bear the full cost of adding the name.

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Thanks again to all. It is actually a request from the village I now reside in - Shamley Green. There was a local man who left just before the war and died as part of the AIF having emigrated to Australia. His family remain to this day in the village and would like him remembered on the war memorial.

As regards Cranleigh - it seems many of the names on the memorial had but a tenuous link to the village whilst others who lived there all their lives are not commemorated.

best regards

Rod

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Ah! Shamley Green

This is all the CWGC have for the village

COLLINS A 35 27/04/1917 Private Army Veterinary Corps 43rd Mobile Vet. Sect.
HODGSON CHARLES BASIL MORTIMER C B M 37 01/04/1918 Captain The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment) 3rd Bn.
HODGSON CYRIL ARTHUR GODWIN C A G 33 20/03/1918 Captain Royal North Devon Hussars
HUMPHRIES WILFRED JOHN W J 19 25/08/1918 Rifleman Rifle Brigade 13th Bn.
JENNER ERNEST JAMES E J 32 23/03/1918 Private Queen's Own (Royal West Kent Regiment) 10th Bn.
KELSEY ALBERT A 28 26/07/1916 Private Australian Infantry, A.I.F. 20th Bn.
MILES JAMES J 29 23/04/1918 Private Royal Army Medical Corps 28th Field Amb.
OLDS H J 39 20/09/1918 Private Lincolnshire Regiment 7th Bn.
ROYAL ARTHUR CHARLES A C 01/11/1914 Able Seaman Royal Navy (RFR/PO/B/4308). H.M.S. "Good Hope."
STEVENS PERCY P 29 27/10/1916 Cook's Mate 2nd Class Royal Navy H.M.S. Mohawk
STREET ALBERT A 30 10/02/1918 Rifleman London Regiment (Post Office Rifles) 8th Bn.
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again - thanks to all

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Thanks again to all. It is actually a request from the village I now reside in - Shamley Green. There was a local man who left just before the war and died as part of the AIF having emigrated to Australia. His family remain to this day in the village and would like him remembered on the war memorial.

As regards Cranleigh - it seems many of the names on the memorial had but a tenuous link to the village whilst others who lived there all their lives are not commemorated.

best regards

Rod

Rod

I have found more than 50 names which will be added to the Cranleigh School memorial. I cannot see any of these have direct links to the village but happy to pass them on to you if it would be of help. As I too am in Shamley Green could be at the Red Lion!!

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