Jonathan Saunders Posted 28 April , 2003 Share Posted 28 April , 2003 Thanks Kieron - I wouldnt imagine there were many munition factories in Kent but I believe there was one in Faversham where women munition workers died in an explosion. Any help with names would be great (unless I have crossed stories somewhere). Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kieron Hoyle Posted 30 April , 2003 Share Posted 30 April , 2003 Munitions workers. Roll of Honour 1914- 1919 Abbot Alderson M Allen Mabel Allison Mary Anderson E Armstrong Mary Armstrong Maud Atherley Atkinson Elsie M Bainbridge K Baker Emily Bamber Diannah Barber Mildred Barker Maggie Barrett Bridget Barron Annie E Bashford Nellie Bates Norah Beckett Helena Beech Martha Bell Annie Benson Annie Benton F Blackamore Jennie Blackstone Marie Jane Bland Sarah E Bolton Grace Botterill A Booth Polly Bradly Irene Bradshaw Margaret A Brannon Emily Bridget Courcy Brooks Violet M Brown Agnes (York) Brown Agnes (Garston) Brown Dorothy Brown E Brown Elizabeth Bruce Elsie Buckley Gladys Bunce M Butterworth Sarah Cameron Margaret Carter Florence K Carter Mary E Carruthers I Cashin Bridget Cash Elsie Chandler Florrie Chaplin Louie Chapman Katie Clark Nellie Clark E C Clarke Fanny Clippellier Margaret Clure Cole A Cooper Clara Cooper Sarah Copham Edith Cotsford Alice Crowder Dolly Crossland Mary Curry Cursley Gertrude Curtis Ada F Davies Rosetta Dawber Mary Dawson Emily Deane Agnes Devonald Esther Dillon Edith Eady Ciceley Eastide Emily Eastment Kathleen Eaton L M Eccles Margaret Eddyes Leah Elliot Lilly Elliott Mary E Ellis Edith Ellis Lillian Elston Jane England Farmer Annie Farmer Ethel Farrer Elizabeth Ferguson Agnes Fettis Hilda Few Jane Fitzmaurice Mary Flynn Maggie Foley Fountain Catherine Fox Charlotte Freeman Annie Freer Hannah Frost Annie Frot Clara Garman Margaret Garrett E M Gavin Helen Gibbs E Lavinia Gibson Mary Gibson Gleave Florence Gorrill Ethel Glassby Ada Grant Elisa. Hainsworth Violet Haley Edith Haverty Marie Hawkins Ethel Hayden Gladys Heffernan A Henderson Letitia Hall Nellie Herridge Charlotte Hill Kate Hilton Elsie Hodgkins Florence A R Hollinshead Agnes Holmes Annie Horrisge Beatrice Hollington Nora Leonard Anne Levitt Edith Lindley Florence H Ling Dorothy Lomas Florence Lotinga Marion C Lumley Lyons M Macey E Marsh W B Maskell Mason Elizabeth Massey Charlotte McIntosh Bertha Mead Lottie Melville Amy Metcalfe Annie Morgan Margaret Morris Lilly Morrison A G Moulds Nellie Newsome Annie Oates Elsie Owen Mary Pannell Parragreen E J Payne S Peaker Sarah Perkins Edith Perry Annie Portman Florence Post Alice Power Agnes Preece Ellen Preston Louisa Pritchard Gladys Rainbow E Reid Gertrude Roache Edith F Robertson Bertha Robinson Elsie Rodgers E Rofe Alice Roscoe Margaret Rushton Elizabeth Ethel Rowley Mary E Russell Marian Schofield Gertrude Schofield Mary Scratcher M C Sedgewick Emily Seirs Anne Shaw M Sheppard Mary Sheridan Sarah Shoosmith Elizabeth Silcock Margaret Smart Alice Smith Annie Smith E Smith Ellen Smith Sybil Staniland Stella Stewart Amelia Street Louisa Sykes Edith Taylor Fanny Taylor Mary Taylor S Turner Mary L Valentine M Venes Lily Walker Jane E Walker Lizzie Walsh Elizabeth Ward Eliza Watson D M Webb Welsh Agnes West Eliza West Mary Whidgett V Whiteley Florence Williams Alice Willis Dorothy Wilshaw Sarah Wilson Agnes Wood Rose Worslop Ida Wortley M Wray Florence M Wyat Doris M Yeates Olive Names taken from ‘ Women’s Auxiliary of the Interallied veteran’s Federation.’ Pub by Charles-Lavauzelle, Paris 1934. PLEASE NOTE - THIS LIST DOES NOT SAY WHERE THEY DIED, OR ANY DATES, AND AS YOU WILL SEE NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE THE CHRISTIAN NAME OR INITIAL. SORRY I CAN'T HELP FURTHER. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I WILL POST SOME MORE OF THE LISTS LATER? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Saunders Posted 30 April , 2003 Share Posted 30 April , 2003 Many thanks - I hope this was info you could cut and paste and you didnt have to go to too much trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john w. Posted 30 April , 2003 Share Posted 30 April , 2003 Nellie Spindler's gave at Ljissenthoek Cemetery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 1 May , 2003 Share Posted 1 May , 2003 Disgracefully I have to admit to not looking at this discussion group very often and thankyou Terry for pointing out the latest string on WW1 female casualties. Cynthia - we will never truly know the actual number of women nurses, drivers and other personnel who were killed in the Great War. The CWGC suggests that they care for a little over 600 graves (or memorial names) but admit that some graves are gender neutral as they only hold initials of the deceased rather than first names. Whilst graves to the QAIMNS, QMAAC, etc are obviously female some, such as CAMC, YMCA, VAD can have both sexes. The York Minster panels show 1465 female names. 238 munition workers were not eligible for the memorial plaque and I guess some other organisations such as the Women's Forage Corps were too. And not all QMAAC's had a memorial plaque issued - this seems to depend as to whether they were officially attached to an army regiment/unit. Signals/Simon - Medal Year Book seems to quote the CWGC figure. Incidently memorial plaques were not just issued to the next of kin of those who died whilst on active service in a foreign theatre. They were also issued where the death was at home whether Canada, the UK or where-ever. Conor - It is Sophia Violet Barrett rather than Sophie Violet Barrett. On the York Minster panels it is just Violet Barrett. Tim - there are 20 females buried in Etaples cemetery. They are not all nurses. For instance Marguerite Maude McArthur died of pneumonia serving with the YMCA. Kate - Edith Cavall was in private nursing and whilst she did sterling work she was not in the "forces". However her name is on the York Minster panels. If any one would like any information on individual WW1 female casualties please get in touch. Similarly if any one has biographical information, photographs, medals or plaques (for photographing) I shall be pleased to hear from them. Jim Strawbridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kieron Hoyle Posted 1 May , 2003 Share Posted 1 May , 2003 Jim - you say that Edith Cavell was not part of the "forces" but she is listed in this roll of honour as serving with the Auxiliary Hospital along with 126 other names? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 9 May , 2003 Share Posted 9 May , 2003 Kieron, Edith Cavell became the matron of Berkendael Hospital, Brussells in 1907. The hospital was adopted by the Red Cross on the outbreak of war (as many others were). When I said that she was not part of "the forces" I meant that she was not in the pay of her country and therefore not a servicewoman. In fact, as I understand it, it was nothing to do with her hospital duties that caused her fateful end but that she harboured French and British soldiers who were in transit to the Dutch lines. She was court-martialed by the Germans and shot at 2 am on the morning of the 12th October 1915. This was just over a year after the war had started. The fact that she was a woman and had been executed only a couple of days after the trial had ended without an opportunity of appeal caused furore and a cause celebre for the British publicity machine. The fact that she appears on the York Minster panels under auxiliary hospitals may be correct but I suspect that it would have been impossible to have omitted her name altogether and it had to go somewhere. This is all merely pedantics as there is no doubt that the lady died a brave patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Denham Posted 9 May , 2003 Share Posted 9 May , 2003 Edith Cavell was not a member of the armed forces of any Commonwealth country nor was she working for a Commonwealth division of the Red Cross. As such, the pedantic truth is that she does not qualify for war grave status and would not be commemorated by CWGC. However, that does not detract from her undoubted gallantry and she should be rightfully remembered on the York memorial as Jim says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
303man Posted 6 December , 2004 Share Posted 6 December , 2004 The Regulations regarding issue for the plaque are quite clear in stating that Officers and Other Ranks withdrawn from the Army for special work such as munitions or agriculture will not be issued the plaque or scroll. This probably accounts for us seeing less womens plaques than we think there should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 6 December , 2004 Share Posted 6 December , 2004 The Regulations regarding issue for the plaque are quite clear in stating that Officers and Other Ranks withdrawn from the Army for special work such as munitions or agriculture will not be issued the plaque or scroll. This probably accounts for us seeing less womens plaques than we think there should be. Very true, Paul. However I know of one plaque (in the collection of a chap who has 'quite a few female plaques') that is to a woman auxilliary - from an organisation that is not recognised by the CWGC. The plaque is direct from the family along with two plaques made for the woman's brothers, so there is no doubt as to authenticity. The owner is the same chap that now believes 1200+ female plaques were issued..... Also I am not sure of the status of Australian munition workers. If they died in the UK they are commemorated by the CWGC. This would suggest, to me, that they might have been eligible for a plaque. I have asked various people to keep an eye out at the AWM, or in the records at Canberra, but have not found anything concrete (YET!) to support the theory. Of course, the details of a plaque to an Australian munitions worker (male or female) would be very welcome news indeed. About as welcome as a Labour Corps plaque for a Chinese national...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Saunders Posted 6 December , 2004 Share Posted 6 December , 2004 Thanks Kieron - I wouldnt imagine there were many munition factories in Kent but I believe there was one in Faversham where women munition workers died in an explosion. Any help with names would be great (unless I have crossed stories somewhere). Thanks in advance. I can put you in touch with an author/historian who is writing a book on the Faversham explosion. There was a mass burial (79 people I believe), but there were many more who were buried far away from Faversham. I now have many names of munitions workers, not on Kieran's list, who died in munitions factory incidents (eg Blakes munition factory with 13 lives lost; stone in Magravine cemetery), Baron's Court). RT - Faversham is just outside my scope of interest, which runs roughly from Medway to Sittingbourne/Swale but I could easily be persuaded to spread as far as Faversham as well! I would be interested in where these women are buried if your friend is prepared to give that type of info out before publication. Also interested in how far from publication he is and he can put me down for a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnreed Posted 7 December , 2004 Share Posted 7 December , 2004 According to my sources there were 109 Men and Boys killed in the explosion at Faversham including the whole Faversham factory Fire Brigade, for full list go to the Faversham Web Site. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnreed Posted 7 December , 2004 Share Posted 7 December , 2004 Please find attaced the Roll of Honour from the No 1 Filling Factory at Crossgates, Leeds. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 7 December , 2004 Share Posted 7 December , 2004 There was more than 109 casualties, John. The 79 deaths that I quoted were the people buried in the mass grave at Faversham. As I said there are many more people buried away from the town. Sigs, all I can do is ask. Please can you contact me off forum with a quick note as to how you would use the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pete Wood Posted 7 December , 2004 Share Posted 7 December , 2004 Please find attaced the Roll of Honour from the No 1 Filling Factory at Crossgates, Leeds. John Excellent stuff. Thanks for sharing this with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Noble Posted 18 December , 2004 Share Posted 18 December , 2004 Probably one for Jim here, but here we go. York Minster and the Chapel of St. Nicholas. Does anybody have, for lack of a better word, ' list' of all the names on the 12 panels in the chapel? Regards, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 21 December , 2004 Share Posted 21 December , 2004 I do, including the additions since the unveiling. Can I help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Noble Posted 24 December , 2004 Share Posted 24 December , 2004 Hi Jim. Sorry for the late reply, been trying to carry the turkey down the path for over a week Looking for any commemoration of a V.A.D. Nurse, Kathleen Tapsell, i believe a native of Grimsby? Any info much appreciated. Regards, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 25 December , 2004 Share Posted 25 December , 2004 I am sorry, Chris, but I have no more information on this woman other than she was a member of the Voluntary Aid Detachment and her name is recorded on the York Minster panel 5. Because she was with the VAD does not necessarily make her a nurse. If you find out any further information I should be very pleased to hear it. I wonder if there is some kind soul on this forum from Grimsby who could see if her name is on the War Memorial there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Noble Posted 27 December , 2004 Share Posted 27 December , 2004 Hi Jim. The lady in question is commemorated on my local war memorial at Wetherby, West Yorks. However, i can't seem to find any local connection. Regards, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 28 December , 2004 Share Posted 28 December , 2004 Chris, I have undertaken a simple (non paying) search of the 1901 census and Kathleen Tapsell is aged 2 and born in Grimsby. Martha Tapsell, aged 28 (and from West Melton, Yorkshire) seems to be the only other Tapsell from the area. The reason that I haven't undertaken a full search is because with 1600+ women to look up I shall be hoping to negotiate a discount with the NA in due course. I would welcome a photo of the entry on the war memorial if at all possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Noble Posted 28 December , 2004 Share Posted 28 December , 2004 Cheers for that Jim. I'll take a picture of the memorial and relevant panel this week. I like the idea of the discount theory though, could try that one myself... Regards, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 27 February Share Posted 27 February (edited) On 30/04/2003 at 18:32, Guest Kieron Hoyle said: Munitions workers. Roll of Honour 1914- 1919 Abbot Alderson M Allen Mabel Allison Mary Anderson E Armstrong Mary Armstrong Maud Atherley Atkinson Elsie M Bainbridge K Baker Emily Bamber Diannah Barber Mildred Barker Maggie Barrett Bridget Barron Annie E Bashford Nellie Bates Norah Beckett Helena Beech Martha Bell Annie Benson Annie Benton F Blackamore Jennie Blackstone Marie Jane Bland Sarah E Bolton Grace Botterill A Booth Polly Bradly Irene Bradshaw Margaret A Brannon Emily Bridget Courcy Brooks Violet M Brown Agnes (York) Brown Agnes (Garston) Brown Dorothy Brown E Brown Elizabeth Bruce Elsie Buckley Gladys Bunce M Butterworth Sarah Cameron Margaret Carter Florence K Carter Mary E Carruthers I Cashin Bridget Cash Elsie Chandler Florrie Chaplin Louie Chapman Katie Clark Nellie Clark E C Clarke Fanny Clippellier Margaret Clure Cole A Cooper Clara Cooper Sarah Copham Edith Cotsford Alice Crowder Dolly Crossland Mary Curry Cursley Gertrude Curtis Ada F Davies Rosetta Dawber Mary Dawson Emily Deane Agnes Devonald Esther Dillon Edith Eady Ciceley Eastide Emily Eastment Kathleen Eaton L M Eccles Margaret Eddyes Leah Elliot Lilly Elliott Mary E Ellis Edith Ellis Lillian Elston Jane England Farmer Annie Farmer Ethel Farrer Elizabeth Ferguson Agnes Fettis Hilda Few Jane Fitzmaurice Mary Flynn Maggie Foley Fountain Catherine Fox Charlotte Freeman Annie Freer Hannah Frost Annie Frot Clara Garman Margaret Garrett E M Gavin Helen Gibbs E Lavinia Gibson Mary Gibson Gleave Florence Gorrill Ethel Glassby Ada Grant Elisa. Hainsworth Violet Haley Edith Haverty Marie Hawkins Ethel Hayden Gladys Heffernan A Henderson Letitia Hall Nellie Herridge Charlotte Hill Kate Hilton Elsie Hodgkins Florence A R Hollinshead Agnes Holmes Annie Horrisge Beatrice Hollington Nora Leonard Anne Levitt Edith Lindley Florence H Ling Dorothy Lomas Florence Lotinga Marion C Lumley Lyons M Macey E Marsh W B Maskell Mason Elizabeth Massey Charlotte McIntosh Bertha Mead Lottie Melville Amy Metcalfe Annie Morgan Margaret Morris Lilly Morrison A G Moulds Nellie Newsome Annie Oates Elsie Owen Mary Pannell Parragreen E J Payne S Peaker Sarah Perkins Edith Perry Annie Portman Florence Post Alice Power Agnes Preece Ellen Preston Louisa Pritchard Gladys Rainbow E Reid Gertrude Roache Edith F Robertson Bertha Robinson Elsie Rodgers E Rofe Alice Roscoe Margaret Rushton Elizabeth Ethel Rowley Mary E Russell Marian Schofield Gertrude Schofield Mary Scratcher M C Sedgewick Emily Seirs Anne Shaw M Sheppard Mary Sheridan Sarah Shoosmith Elizabeth Silcock Margaret Smart Alice Smith Annie Smith E Smith Ellen Smith Sybil Staniland Stella Stewart Amelia Street Louisa Sykes Edith Taylor Fanny Taylor Mary Taylor S Turner Mary L Valentine M Venes Lily Walker Jane E Walker Lizzie Walsh Elizabeth Ward Eliza Watson D M Webb Welsh Agnes West Eliza West Mary Whidgett V Whiteley Florence Williams Alice Willis Dorothy Wilshaw Sarah Wilson Agnes Wood Rose Worslop Ida Wortley M Wray Florence M Wyat Doris M Yeates Olive Names taken from ‘ Women’s Auxiliary of the Interallied veteran’s Federation.’ Pub by Charles-Lavauzelle, Paris 1934. PLEASE NOTE - THIS LIST DOES NOT SAY WHERE THEY DIED, OR ANY DATES, AND AS YOU WILL SEE NOT ALL OF THEM HAVE THE CHRISTIAN NAME OR INITIAL. SORRY I CAN'T HELP FURTHER. IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED I WILL POST SOME MORE OF THE LISTS LATER? Twenty years on. I have closely checked the list provided by "Guest Kieron Hoyle" and I have a couple of queries both as to completeness (nothing from H to L, should at least be some Jones's) and some of the spellings (ie Doris M. Wyat). I cannot message Kieron as he was a guest and may not even be contactable now but I am looking for exactness as to what was listed in the book (Women’s Auxiliary of the Interallied Veteran’s Federation. Published by Charles-Lavauzelle, Paris 1934) so if anyone has, or has access to it, I would welcome a copy of the print. By the way, it is far from complete and I know of many more women who have not found their way onto the York Minster panels. later - Posted 10 March , 2006 by me I have a very valued book on my bookcase titled "Femina Patriae Defensor" published in 1934 by Charles Lavauzelle and Co. The sub title is "F.I.D.A.C., Womens Auxiliary of the Interallied Veterans Federation". It, unfortunately tells nothing about the Federation Interallie des Anciens Combattants but, instead, the women's contribution to WW1 in the various countries. -such a valued book that I can no longer find it !!! Edited 27 February by Jim Strawbridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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