seaforths Posted 7 February , 2014 Share Posted 7 February , 2014 Fascinating programme. However, I'm having to draw and re-draw a very large and complicated family tree on my lounge wall to keep track of the multiple inter-connections between them all!There are four pages of family trees in the book. I can send them to you if you want - but you seem to be enjoying yourself! They are: Hohernzollens, Queen Victoria, Glucksburgs and Romanovs. Edit: typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz in Eastbourne Posted 7 February , 2014 Share Posted 7 February , 2014 Liz , the Kaiser dismissed Bismarck, in March 1890. I know, Terry - that was my point. Did you see the programmes? Liz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archangel9 Posted 7 February , 2014 Share Posted 7 February , 2014 Really enjoyed it. Fascinating insight into an extended family ruling Europe and competing for half the world. The fact that the constitutional monarch prevailed was no accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry_Reeves Posted 7 February , 2014 Share Posted 7 February , 2014 I know, Terry - that was my point. Did you see the programmes? Liz Liz, I did see the programmes. What exactly is your point please? TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 7 February , 2014 Admin Share Posted 7 February , 2014 Watched the first dose of this up to the point where we were informed that the Kaiser was born bottom first" which imprinted such a horrific image in my mind that I did not see the rest, even reading this brings it all back! Norman Not only that but a very complicated delivery owing to the placenta being very low in the uterus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaforths Posted 7 February , 2014 Share Posted 7 February , 2014 Discussing the book with my son tonight and he pointed out that we had also watched a programme about it. I had forgotten all about it and I had enjoyed it too: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/three-kings-at-war/episode-guide Edit: Makes me wonder why the BBC chose to cover something C4 had already done and why C4 didn't rerun it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianw Posted 7 February , 2014 Share Posted 7 February , 2014 Liz, I did see the programmes. What exactly is your point please? TR Ah Liz and Terry - one could almost believe they were telepathically linked. Two minds perfectly attuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaforths Posted 7 February , 2014 Share Posted 7 February , 2014 Ah Liz and Terry - one could almost believe they were telepathically linked. Two minds perfectly attuned. Oh yes. And poor Norman traumatised by a breach birth. He's probably at the FA Rest Station as I type this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrtle Posted 8 February , 2014 Share Posted 8 February , 2014 Discussing the book with my son tonight and he pointed out that we had also watched a programme about it. I had forgotten all about it and I had enjoyed it too: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/three-kings-at-war/episode-guide Edit: Makes me wonder why the BBC chose to cover something C4 had already done and why C4 didn't rerun it. Yes I saw that one also, however I believe that the "Royal Cousins at War" went into more detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz in Eastbourne Posted 8 February , 2014 Share Posted 8 February , 2014 Liz, I did see the programmes. What exactly is your point please? TR My point was (and I'm afraid what was intended to be a relatively light reply, and certainly not a claim to expert knowledge of this area, is now getting horribly ponderous): I believe you adduced the importance of Bismarck's dismissal in the events leading up to WW1 to support your argument that the importance of royal personalities and relationships should not be over-emphasised. I asked who sacked Bismarck. knowing (indeed it was mentioned in the programmes) that the Kaiser did. So if you were arguing for the importance of the royal relationships, early life etc in shaping the Kaiser's personality and leading to war, this could just as well be part of that argument, as he might not have done it if he'd been a thoughtful man without personality problems. I told you it would sound ponderous. I have nothing more to add! Liz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
healdav Posted 8 February , 2014 Share Posted 8 February , 2014 One interesting point which came up in the programme was the misunderstanding by the German Ambassador of what the King said about Britain standing aside. The programme did not make the point that his report to the Kaiser led to the Kaiser ordering the start of the war to be put off by 12 hours so that he could get confirmation of this (and of course, Grey said that they had misinterpreted what the King had said, and of course, the British would stand by the French et al). Unfortunately, no one took into account that telegrams take time to arrive at outflung outposts. This led to a certain detachment on the frontier with Luxembourg only getting the telegram an hour after they had invaded thwe Grand Duchy! This story and what happened is to be the subject of at least a part of a programme with Michael Portillo which is to be recorded next Sunday. If you want the story, buy my book - "Victims Nonetheless" (on Amazon/kindle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 8 February , 2014 Share Posted 8 February , 2014 Not sure the term incestuous is accurate - perhaps 'close' would be more accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrough Posted 8 February , 2014 Share Posted 8 February , 2014 Not sure the term incestuous is accurate - perhaps 'close' would be more accurate. Very close would suffice.A good program nonetheless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towisuk Posted 9 February , 2014 Share Posted 9 February , 2014 Millions of men sent to their deaths over an inbred family squabble.....??? regards Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverforget Posted 9 February , 2014 Share Posted 9 February , 2014 I thought it was a very enlightening series, but then I do enjoy seeing the gloss rubbed off these people, and seeing them exposed for what they are/were. Edward VII came out of it looking rather impressive though in my humble opinion. I dread to think who`s side we would have been on if Victoria was still on the throne in 1914. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirlD Posted 18 January , 2017 Share Posted 18 January , 2017 Just stumbled across this on the History Channel, part 2 next week. I had no idea of the intricate, complex and destructive relationships! At the same time we are ploughing through a DVD of the First World War based on the book of Hew Strachan. It is a good duo, learning a lot, the sheer numbers of those killed and wounded as always just horrifies me Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Ridgus Posted 18 January , 2017 Share Posted 18 January , 2017 8 hours ago, ShirlD said: Just stumbled across this on the History Channel, part 2 next week. I had no idea of the intricate, complex and destructive relationships! At the same time we are ploughing through a DVD of the First World War based on the book of Hew Strachan. It is a good duo, learning a lot, the sheer numbers of those killed and wounded as always just horrifies me Shirley Shirley if you are enjoying the documentary I heartily recommend the book it's based on 'The Three Emperors' by Miranda Carter. I found the section about the Kaiser's life in exile in Holland particularly interesting because it is not something widely chronicled David PS Sorry we won't be seeing you at the Conference this year. I very much enjoyed meeting you last time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirlD Posted 19 January , 2017 Share Posted 19 January , 2017 Hello David, that does sound interesting, and I note it is available on our friendly kindle option too! I hope we can make another Conference in the future, it was such a good way to start our European travel and to meet all of you in the formal venue, and then bars, pubs and curry houses! Cheers Shirley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 20 November , 2018 Share Posted 20 November , 2018 For anyone who missed it before, the series is being repeated on BBC Four starting tonight (20th November '18) at 22:00 (Click), so should also be available on BBC iPlayer for a while as well. NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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