Pte. 27489 Clarence Edward Barnes

[Dave Phillips]

Cannot find him on CWGC.

SDGW has him in 2RWR KIA on 9.10.1917

MIC confirms his number and regiment.

Any ideas please.

Dave

[sotonmate]

I haven't found him on CWGC either. He also seems to be the only 2 Bn KIA on the day,as I was trying to trace any others to their burial details. One Warwicks man (2/4 Bn) and others not of 2 Bn were buried at Fauborg D'Amiens around the time and within a day or two of each other. Might this be a case for the In From the Cold Project,if no one can find your man ?

[ralphjd]

Tried everything I can think of without any luck he is on SDGW for this date, cannot even find him on any census returns 1901/ 1911, same name registered Basford in 1898, still no joy. Agree with Sotonmate re the IFTC Project.

[spof]

He certainly existed and served in several battalions

[spof]

In the index to GRO War Death Army Other Ranks (1914 to 1921) there is an entry for Ernest C Barnes, 27488 in a unit called Wars who died in 1917.

The Warwicks medal rolls are arranged alphabetically by surname and there is no E Barnes of any name let alone Ernest or Ernest C. 27488 in the Warwicks was allocated to Pte William Burton - 4876 1/8 Notts and Derby and 27488 10th RWR and he was killed on 15.6.1917 according to CWGC.

I'm getting confused now

[Bardess]

Clarance E on 1901 Census and just Clarence on 1911 Census - both Beeston

[ralphjd]

Soldiers Died GW lists 178 men (not including officers) of the 2nd battalion died on this date 9-10-1917 I have checked every name against the CWGC site and the ONLY one missing is Clarence, of all these men 5 are buried The Buttes Cemetery and all the rest are on the Tyne Cot memorial apart from one (Pte Bass) who actually has a grave in Tyne Cot cemetery. Doesn't help much I suppose but thought I would do it anyway. Ralph.

Clarance E on 1901 Census and just Clarence on 1911 Census - both Beeston

Thanks Diane, thought I was going potty. Ralph.

[Dave Phillips]

Yes I am at present working out who's who on the day, as my Great uncle died that day.

Very few known buried that day, I have walked every grave in Buttes New, there are many unknowns and several Warwick unknowns there.

Barnes remains a mystery.

Dave

[ralphjd]

In a perfect world, every name on a memorial such as Tyne Cot would have a corresponding unknown headstone somewhere, but no body/remains = no headstone.

Just edited my previous post, got the numbers wrong

[Dave Phillips]

Good spot on Pte. Bass, I researched the men some years ago and missed his burial. I suppose that some of the other unknowns could be buried in Tyne Cot.

It's ironic that The Butte was the 2RWR Headquarters for the attack that day.

Dave

[ralphjd]

I have no doubt that many of the unknowns in Tyne Cot relate to the Royal Warwicks given the proximity of the fighting around there.

[BRONNO]

3880 Pte Clarence Edward Barnes, my records show he enlisted at Stapleford (next to Beeston) in Notts and came from the Beeston area. BRONNO.

[Dave Phillips]

I've tried several different searches on the CWGC site for any link with Barnes and failed.

Do you think that I should contact IFCP?

Dave

[ralphjd]

YES. He deserves to be remembered.

[Bardess]

I have already alerted them to this thread

[spof]

I'll move it to the Possible Non-Comms Forum.

Glen

[johnboy]

Clarence Edward Barnes

Person Details

Date of death

09 Oct 1917

Service number

27489

Rank

Pte

Military Unit

2nd Bn Royal Warwickshire Regiment form. 3880 Sherwood Foresters

Remembered on

• Beeston - St John The Baptist Church War Memorial as CE Barnes Pte 2nd Bn Royal Warwickshire Regiment form. 3880 Sherwood Foresters

[Dave Phillips]

Thanks all - I thought I'd missed something.

Dave