Armyaviation Posted 21 January , 2014 Posted 21 January , 2014 Hello All, i recently posted this picture of my GG Grandad James Alexander ROBERTSON on the Victorian Soldier forum. They seem to think he was a piper in the Tyneside Scottish around ww1, would do we think? anybody can give any further details of Battalion etc? he was born in Greenock, but had moved to Wallsend Northumberland at the time of the 1911 census which could make the Tynesiders a good bet, i cant find a MIC for him either.
Old Owl Posted 21 January , 2014 Posted 21 January , 2014 Hi, I could be wrong, but I don't think that he is Tyneside Scottish. I can see why you might think so because of the emblem on his buckle, crossbelt and sporran, but the headress badge doesn't look correct. I think that this predates the Tyneside Scottish by a good number of years, and is probably Victorian period. I am certain that someone with much more knowledge on this will be along soon. Robert
rolt968 Posted 21 January , 2014 Posted 21 January , 2014 The pictures I have seen of the Tyneside Scottish pipers show them wearing what looks like the Shepherd tartan. In b&w it looked like black & white checks. I thank that was also worn by the pipers of one of the TF battalions of KOSB. This uniform looks a bit ornate for what were service battalions. Roger.
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 21 January , 2014 Posted 21 January , 2014 Hi, I have to disagree he is Tyneside Scottish the belt buckle is the Lion and Tower. and if you look at Tyneside Scottish by Graham Stewart and myself you will see all the pipers are dressed in this way. 20th wore the Shepherds Tartan. mentioned above 21st wore Campbell of Loudon Tartan 22nd wore ? 23rd wore Campbell of Loudon tartan. 20/76 James Robertson trf to 2 Garrison Bn NF but the photo has the wrong tartan for 20/NF 22/177 James Robertson enl 16/11/14 dis 23/10/17 trf to Depot NF did not serve overseas, Could possibly be your man. Regards John
Old Owl Posted 21 January , 2014 Posted 21 January , 2014 Hi, I have to disagree he is Tyneside Scottish the belt buckle is the Lion and Tower. and if you look at Tyneside Scottish by Graham Stewart and myself you will see all the pipers are dressed in this way. 20th wore the Shepherds Tartan. mentioned above 21st wore Campbell of Loudon Tartan 22nd wore ? 23rd wore Campbell of Loudon tartan. 20/76 James Robertson trf to 2 Garrison Bn NF but the photo has the wrong tartan for 20/NF 22/177 James Robertson enl 16/11/14 dis 23/10/17 trf to Depot NF did not serve overseas, Could possibly be your man. Regards John Hi John, I bow to your superior knowledge. It just appeared far too ornate for a WW1 raised unit. The cap badge doesn't look quite right--possibly the light makes it look strange? Robert
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 22 January , 2014 Posted 22 January , 2014 Hi, Its just the angle of the cap badge. Look carefully you can see a plinth or scroll which will read TYNESIDE SCOTTISH across the bottom on each side a thistle leaf rising to a point at the top and in the centre a lion stood on top of a tower. regards John
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 22 January , 2014 Posted 22 January , 2014 Here's a piper of 20/NF wearing Shepherds tartan, but note the same buckle and sporran.
Joe Sweeney Posted 22 January , 2014 Posted 22 January , 2014 Interesting photo's. In both cases the Jackets look like modified SD jackets. especially the original post. The second might be a modified Simplified SD jacket as I don't see bellows/pleats on the pocket. Joe Sweeney
Graham Stewart Posted 22 January , 2014 Posted 22 January , 2014 The Pipers and Drummers of the 22nd Bn, NF(3rd Tyneside Scottish). He doesn't appear among the Pipers, but at the very rear right as we look at the photo is a very old lad. It wasn't unknown for members of the T.S. to dress in Pipers uniforms for family photo's and as John has already said it looks as though your family member may not have served overseas with them.
Armyaviation Posted 22 January , 2014 Author Posted 22 January , 2014 Guys Thanks very much for the replies, so the tartan he has on looks like 3rd Tyneside Scottish, as he has argyll tartan? I think he would have been older at the start of the war mid forties, so maybe that's why he stayed at the depot?also I saw my gdad today,he said he was a coal miner and also worked on the shipyards , maybe he was kept in uk for that?
Graham Stewart Posted 23 January , 2014 Posted 23 January , 2014 Guys Thanks very much for the replies, so the tartan he has on looks like 3rd Tyneside Scottish, as he has argyll tartan? I think he would have been older at the start of the war mid forties, so maybe that's why he stayed at the depot?also I saw my gdad today,he said he was a coal miner and also worked on the shipyards , maybe he was kept in uk for that The 22nd Bn, did infact wear the Campbell of Argyll tartan.
Guest Scotlandthebrave Posted 18 September , 2016 Posted 18 September , 2016 (edited) hello all, i am pleased to share two pictures of the piper's plaid brooch of 1st Tyneside Scottish i have in my collection. All the bestJ ean-Marie Edited 18 September , 2016 by Scotlandthebrave
Steven Broomfield Posted 18 September , 2016 Posted 18 September , 2016 8 minutes ago, Scotlandthebrave said: hello all, i am pleased to share two pictures of the piper's plaid brooch of 1st Tyneside Scottish i have in my collection. All the bestJ ean-Marie That is absolutely beautiful.
Ron Abbott Posted 16 December , 2016 Posted 16 December , 2016 On 1/23/2014 at 02:45, Graham Stewart said: The Pipers and Drummers of the 22nd Bn, NF(3rd Tyneside Scottish). He doesn't appear among the Pipers, but at the very rear right as we look at the photo is a very old lad. It wasn't unknown for members of the T.S. to dress in Pipers uniforms for family photo's and as John has already said it looks as though your family member may not have served overseas with them. Graham, Do you know the identity of the piper second from the right, front row (as we look at it)? Over the years, I've also come across, or been shown photographs of soldiers from the Tyneside Scottish wearing piper's uniforms, normally taken in studios, and yet the soldiers in question were not pipers. As Graham says, it wasn't unknown for this to happen. However I'd go a step further and suggest that it may actually have been fairly common. However I do note that the man in the photo is wearing a uniform that appears to fit him and he's wearing it correctly. Have to have a wee chuckle at the look on his face though, Has he just farted or something? Ron
gnr.ktrha Posted 2 June , 2022 Posted 2 June , 2022 On 22/01/2014 at 15:01, Tyneside Chinaman said: Here's a piper of 20/NF wearing Shepherds tartan, but note the same buckle and sporran. Hi John, That is a photo of Piper E. Boyce. He was Killed on the 1st of July 1916 at the Somme. Thought you would like to know who he was, just in case you did not already know. What a great photograph.
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