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Great War at Sea and centenary


MichaelBully

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Greetings

Are there any plans for 'Great War at Sea' centenary events?

I know that the Live Bait Squadron Society are planing a commemoration in Chatham on 22nd September 2014 -details to follow- but that's all I've heard so far.

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Michael Bully

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The National Museum of the Royal Navy Portsmouth will have its new 20th century / Great War gallery open with a nod to Jutland.

I'm trying to think what to do for Hampshire Heritage Open Days...

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http://www.centenarynews.com/article?id=1211

The above link announces an art exhibition called "Forgotten Fighters: The First World War at Sea" which opens in August 1914 and includes a Turneresque depiction of Cradock's ship about to go down at Coronel

David

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http://www.submarinersassociation.co.uk/EventsCalendar/CentenaryWWI.pdf

Trawling about I also came across this letter from 2SL which has proposals for events involving the Royal Navy across the five years. I've no idea whether these have been developed further since last Spring.

David

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That's good news SJ, thanks, must come over for it. It would be excellent to have a Hampshire Heritage Day dedicated to the Great War at Sea if at all feasible. I don't think that there is much interest in the 'War at sea amongst the general public. So anything that extends the focus would be welcome.

Best wishes ,

The National Museum of the Royal Navy Portsmouth will have its new 20th century / Great War gallery open with a nod to Jutland.

I'm trying to think what to do for Hampshire Heritage Open Days...

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Fantastic news indeed. Thanks for the link David. The Martime Museum is one of my favourite museums in any case, and this really will be the icing on the cake. News like this makes me more positive about the centenary.

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Michael Bully

http://www.centenarynews.com/article?id=1211

The above link announces an art exhibition called "Forgotten Fighters: The First World War at Sea" which opens in August 1914 and includes a Turneresque depiction of Cradock's ship about to go down at Coronel

David

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Fantastic news indeed. Thanks for the link David. The Martime Museum is one of my favourite museums in any case, and this really will be the icing on the cake. News like this makes me more positive about the centenary.

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Michael Bully

My pleasure Michael. Like you I worry about the lack of Naval input in the Centenary. It goes with the astonishing decline in public interest and respect for the Royal Navy and its role in our national life that has happened since 1945.

Naval history was one of my specialist subjects at University and I worked for many years with the Navy in the MoD, including during the Falklands, and I have the utmost respect for their continuing excellence as a service. I really hope they can come through these lean times. They got a lift from the 200th anniversary of Trafalgar, lets hope for something similar in the next five years

David

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Believe me, we're doing our best in the RN! It's just that, semaphore as we may, the public seems to be looking in the other direction...

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NMM is also one of my favourites.

The NMM used to have a lot of models of WW1 warships. I haven't seen most of them for many years. I've a vague idea that they went to Chatham. Can anyone confirm?

Roger

Fantastic news indeed. Thanks for the link David. The Martime Museum is one of my favourite museums in any case, and this really will be the icing on the cake. News like this makes me more positive about the centenary.

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Michael Bully

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Believe me, we're doing our best in the RN! It's just that, semaphore as we may, the public seems to be looking in the other direction...

Well I suppose, as the man said, 'Engage the enemy more closely'! Although in truth I'm not sure how

David

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True :) though I'd rather not treat the public as the enemy (have known some who do :( )

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Thanks for replies. I was going to give a talk locally about 'Hove and the Great War at Sea' but gave up because there was so little interest.

I think that there was a feeling during the Great War itself that the public wanted another 'Trafalgar' victory and that the Royal Navy rarely lived up to their expectations, though the 'Zeebrugge Raid' of 23rd April 1918 was widely acclaimed.And this has carried on somewhat. with the Royal Navy's role being understated. And then World War II naval actions overshadowed the Great War at Sea even more.

But hopefully this will change. I particularly rate the work Henk Van Der Linden has done, both here and in The Netherlands , with the Live Bait Squadron Society and its focus on the Broad Fourteens sinkings by the U9 on 22nd September 1914. Shows that interest can be generated in the Great War at Sea amongst the wider public.

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Michael Bully

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I think that there was a feeling during the Great War itself that the public wanted another 'Trafalgar' victory and that the Royal Navy rarely lived up to their expectations,

Michael

In the early part of the war the 'new Trafalgar' expectation was very explicit. As I'm sure you know postcards like this were not uncommon:

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Jellicoe really was on a hiding to nothing. As Churchill said "the only man who could lose the war in an afternoon". No pressure then John!

David

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I would have thought Evans of the "Broke" and the Dover Straits would get people interested... people are strange...

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I suppose it's a bit of a cliché but I just think the shadow of the Western Front simply dwarfs everything else in the war. The advent of submarines and the sudden vulnerability of Churchill's "Castles of Steel" has led to the Dreadnoughts being perceived along with the cavalry as dinosaurs belonging to another age. It's such a shame. Okay so Jellicoe was no Nelson but how can you read of his nerveless deployment order at Jutland without feeling a thrill. Here was command of the highest order under extraordinary stress.

Sorry, I'll stop preaching to the converted (or should that be stop teaching grandma to suck eggs!) and I'll tell my Year 9s about it tomorrow.

David

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Thanks David (Seymour)

. Pleased to hear this news. I have wondered whether attendance numbers are down if the Wessex WFA branch are giving a talk which is not directly Western Front related.

Our chairman at my branch (Sussex) gave a superb talk on the War at Sea a couple of years ago. It seemed quieter than usual but it may have been time of year , or if crucial football game on , or some other reason rather than the topic.

David (ridgus)- I hadn't seen the postcard. Amazing.Thanks. I wonder when the realisation that there will be no 'Trafalgar ' emerged-if ever. I remember reading that the British public were particularly horrified by the German navy 16th December 1914 attacks on Scarborough, Hartlepool and Whitby, adopting the 'where was the Royal Navy ?' attitude.

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Michael Bully

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David (ridgus)- I hadn't seen the postcard. Amazing.Thanks. I wonder when the realisation that there will be no 'Trafalgar ' emerged-if ever. I remember reading that the British public were particularly horrified by the German navy 16th December 1914 attacks on Scarborough, Hartlepool and Whitby, adopting the 'where was the Royal Navy ?' attitude.

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Michael Bully

Michael

Yes the raids became a significant part of the early recruitment drive.

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David

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Somehow I suspect that the focus will be on "big ships" and "big battles".

The more I read of the work of the R.N.R. Trawler Section, the more admiration I have for those men.

Michael

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I have been wondering if anything has been considered for the centenary of the Zeebrugge Raid in 2018. Information -ideas welcome, thanks, Michael Bully

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I have been wondering if anything has been considered for the centenary of the Zeebrugge Raid in 2018. Information -ideas welcome, thanks, Michael Bully

Michael

It was on the spreadsheet I posted at #4 but with no detail. Perhaps, as yet, no-one has given much thought to that far down the line. However, it must be said, it's going to have a heck of a lot of competition in that year.

David

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There will be a service of commemoration (format to be determined) and exhibition, to mark the centenary of the Battle of the Falkland Islands. This will be on Monday 8th December 2014 in Canterbury Cathedral. The location is because most of the very small number of British dead in that battle were on HMS Kent.

If anyone is interested in attending please let me know and I'll see you are invited.

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Please let me have the details - I can think of a South East England history site where I could also post the information if you wish. Regards, Michael Bully

There will be a service of commemoration (format to be determined) and exhibition, to mark the centenary of the Battle of the Falkland Islands. This will be on Monday 8th December 2014 in Canterbury Cathedral. The location is because most of the very small number of British dead in that battle were on HMS Kent.

If anyone is interested in attending please let me know and I'll see you are invited.

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