Help With “Flight” Archive Please

[Gunner R.A.]

I spent a fair amount of time yesterday, trying to search the archives of Flight, and I seemed to have a real problem with their search engine. Is there a nack to searching Flight or is it just me?

If anyone has five minutes, (and has the nack) could they please have a look for me.

I am trying to find an article regarding the death of Captain Robert Saville, RFC who was killed in a flying accident on the 16th of March 1918

Capt Robert Saville was a pilot with No 81 Squadron based at Scampton.

Robert Saville was originally serving with the Royal Naval Air Service (possibly in France) and then transferred to the RFC in early 1918.

Any help would be gratefully appreciated,

kind regards,

Peter.

P.S. it's fair to say that when it comes to the RFC/RNAS and the RNVR etc, i have no knowledge what so ever.

[GraemeClarke]

Peter

Hes mentioned on this old thread - does this help ??

 

and Ive found these BUT not checked them out yet

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Captain+Robert+Saville&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&gws_rd=cr&ei=PK_WUrLYF4SrhQfMnIHwAw#channel=rcs&q=Captain+%22R.+Saville%22+%22flightglobal.com%22&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Regards,

Graeme

PS headstone pic

http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?available=yes&grave=158093&personid=336247

[centurion]

I spent a fair amount of time yesterday, trying to search the archives of Flight, and I seemed to have a real problem with their search engine. Is there a nack to searching Flight or is it just me?

If anyone has five minutes, (and has the nack) could they please have a look for me.

I am trying to find an article regarding the death of Captain Robert Saville, RFC who was killed in a flying accident on the 16th of March 1918

Capt Robert Saville was a pilot with No 81 Squadron based at Scampton.

Robert Saville was originally serving with the Royal Naval Air Service (possibly in France) and then transferred to the RFC in early 1918.

Any help would be gratefully appreciated,

kind regards,

Peter.

P.S. it's fair to say that when it comes to the RFC/RNAS and the RNVR etc, i have no knowledge what so ever.

I've had a look and it appears to be mis behaving I'll take another look this evening

[Gunner R.A.]

Peter

Hes mentioned on this old thread - does this help ??

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=171121

and Ive found these BUT not checked them out yet

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Captain+Robert+Saville&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&gws_rd=cr&ei=PK_WUrLYF4SrhQfMnIHwAw#channel=rcs&q=Captain+"R.+Saville"+"flightglobal.com"&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

Regards,

Graeme

PS headstone pic

http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?available=yes&grave=158093&personid=336247

Cheers Graeme,

that was quick!.

The first is an old thread of mine, the results mainly regarding another officer i was researching.

The second, i see what you did there, with google, and while the results are very helpful, as you will see there is no return/mention of an article regarding the crash and his death? Surely it would have been mentioned in "Flight" or was that not always the case?

any help appreciated,

Pete.

I've had a look and it appears to be mis behaving I'll take another look this evening

LOL it's not just me than, thanks centurion.

[auchonvillerssomme]

I can't find any entry other than the February 1918 one.

[Gunner R.A.]

I can't find any entry other than the February 1918 one.

Thanks for looking mate, not the easiest of search engines to work with.

[Doc2]

The annual indices for Flight are notoriously poor, and many articles are left out of the index. I have just done a computer search on the entire series of Flight for 1918 and 1919, and the only mention of R. Saville is on 21 February 1918, pages 212 and 213. This reports his change in rank from LT RNAS to Temporary Captain on the General List.

There are several other Savilles, but no more mentions of R. Saville, and no "Sevilles".

Sorry, no mention of his accident.

[auchonvillerssomme]

I have tried going through the 'Personals' for a few editions after his death but nothing there.

[Gunner R.A.]

The annual indices for Flight are notoriously poor, and many articles are left out of the index. I have just done a computer search on the entire series of Flight for 1918 and 1919, and the only mention of R. Saville is on 21 February 1918, pages 212 and 213. This reports his change in rank from LT RNAS to Temporary Captain on the General List.

There are several other Savilles, but no more mentions of R. Saville, and no "Sevilles".

Sorry, no mention of his accident.

Thanks for taking the time Doc2, are we saying that there will definitely be no mention of his accident/death, then?

cheers,

Pete.

I have tried going through the 'Personals' for a few editions after his death but nothing there.

Thanks for taking the time mate,

Pete.

[KevinBattle]

A Family Tree records his death as at RAF Cranwell.

Probate contradicts with:-

Saville, Robert, of 81, George Street, Cheetham Hill, Manchester died 16 March 1918 at Scampton, Lincolnshire.

Administration, London 4 July to Effie Mary Saville, widow.

His Medal Index Card has the notation: Home Service only - so why a Medal Card? Date of 22/02/22 appears as well, as if there was an enquiry from family perhaps as to medals..

Death Registration is Lincoln, meaning Scampton is more likely.

Name: Robert Saville. Birth Date: abt 1888. Date of Registration: Mar 1918. Age at Death: 30.

Registration District: Lincoln, Lincolnshire. Volume: 7a. Page: 643.

[Gunner R.A.]

A Family Tree records his death as at RAF Cranwell.

Probate contradicts with:-

Saville, Robert, of 81, George Street, Cheetham Hill, Manchester died 16 March 1918 at Scampton, Lincolnshire.

Administration, London 4 July to Effie Mary Saville, widow.

His Medal Index Card has the notation: Home Service only - so why a Medal Card? Date of 22/02/22 appears as well, as if there was an enquiry from family perhaps as to medals..

Death Registration is Lincoln, meaning Scampton is more likely.

Name: Robert Saville. Birth Date: abt 1888. Date of Registration: Mar 1918. Age at Death: 30.

Registration District: Lincoln, Lincolnshire. Volume: 7a. Page: 643.

Hello Kev,

yes he died whilst based at Scampton, i actually have all of the above, but i appreciate the effort. I also have his outline RAF record from AIR 76/446,and also an RNVR record from ADM 337/120, He probably also has an army record in WO 339 or WO 374 (not online), but i am not sure if that would be worth chasing up. As for the two latter records, i will probably have to get someone who is "clued up" on these to interpret them for me. To be honest there isn't that much in them, but i have no knowledge what so ever when it comes to the RFC and RNAS etc,

cheers,

Pete.

[Airshipped]

This is probably also your man, though the ADM 273s can be quite a lottery: I've often found a blank document, with a perplexing/infuriating reference on the lines of "see ledger abc123xyz". On the other hand, when there is information it tends to be more detailed than the RAF AIR 76 officers' files.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C9748231

[Doc2]

Thanks for taking the time Doc2, are we saying that there will definitely be no mention of his accident/death, then?

cheers,

Pete.

I never say "definitively", when doing computer searches. If they misspelled his name in Flight or if there were some kind of a scanning problem which interfered with the search, it would not have shown up in my search. But, it is not reported under his name as you gave it. Doc

[Gunner R.A.]

This is probably also your man, though the ADM 273s can be quite a lottery: I've often found a blank document, with a perplexing/infuriating reference on the lines of "see ledger abc123xyz". On the other hand, when there is information it tends to be more detailed than the RAF AIR 76 officers' files.

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C9748231

Thanks Airshipped, much appreciated, i wonder just how much will be in that file given that it states "Download size approximately 0 MB" i am guessing not much, what do you think?

Thanks for taking the time Doc2, are we saying that there will definitely be no mention of his accident/death, then?

cheers,

Pete.

I never say "definitively", when doing computer searches. If they misspelled his name in Flight or if there were some kind of a scanning problem which interfered with the search, it would not have shown up in my search. But, it is not reported under his name as you gave it. Doc

O.k. mate, i won't give up yet.