John_Hartley Posted 24 December , 2013 Share Posted 24 December , 2013 I'm writing another book and it looks increasingly likely I'll have to self-publish (actually I'd buy the services of Reveille Press rather than do everything myself). As such, I have something of a need to keep costs down - the public sector pension isnt quite as generous as the Daily Mail would have you believe. Unlike the national collections in Australia and Canada, the IWM charges for commercial use of photos. What I can't find on its website is how much they charge - they state it can vary depending on print run of the book, how big the photos will be on the page, etc. I'd appreciate advice from any other authors abouts costs. Along the same lines, the National Library of Scotland has a goodly number of images and I could use them instead of IWM if it was more cost effective. Any ideas about costs there? Of course, it may all mean I have to resort to just using Australian and Canadian images which would be a shame as the book mainly reflects the British experience. TIA John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickmetcalfe Posted 25 December , 2013 Share Posted 25 December , 2013 22 images for a total print run of <2,000 & world-wide licence cost me a tadge over £700. That includes VAT. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevem49 Posted 25 December , 2013 Share Posted 25 December , 2013 As I only expected a few hundred sales (well about 6 actually !), they allowed me to do it for nothing. Might be worthwhile emailing them direct. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard_Lewis Posted 25 December , 2013 Share Posted 25 December , 2013 Agree. Explain low print run and grovel a bit. Worked for me in 2002 but only seven photos needed. Are you sure re Australua and Canada sites? Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 25 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 25 December , 2013 So far, I'm as sure as I can be, Bernard. Can't see anything on either of their websites that restrict usage - unlike, say the National Library of Scotland which I'd originally thought wouild be OK but then I found a link which said that there were charges for commercial use. What I certanly can't afford is anything like the amount Nick quotes above. It would make the whole exercise impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 December , 2013 Share Posted 25 December , 2013 Probably worth contacting them and seeing what 'the crack' is? Click Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 26 December , 2013 Share Posted 26 December , 2013 I got the use of several IWM photos for my books for the costs of the original prints. I emailed them, told them that number of copies of the book to be printed would be less than 1,000 (and probably less than 500) and they gave me permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickmetcalfe Posted 26 December , 2013 Share Posted 26 December , 2013 I'd agree with all of the contributions above about contacting direct & seeing what they say. I'd be wary about assuming that the Australian & Canadian organisations don't charge. The Australian National Archives, for example, do charge. Again, it would be worth the cost of a phone call. Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Filsell Posted 26 December , 2013 Share Posted 26 December , 2013 What legal right do the have for publication inbooksofCrownCopyright pictures, ie the IWM does not own the copyright does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 26 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 26 December , 2013 Damn! Nick's post prompted me to have a more detailed look at the Australian War Memorial website. Whilst it is clear that they are clear that the photos are out of copyright, they still charge for commercial usage at $15 (approx £8) per photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 26 December , 2013 Share Posted 26 December , 2013 It does sound as if there is no clear statement of what the situation is - more a case of write or 'phone and some one will make up a policy as they go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 26 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 26 December , 2013 Thanks, all. Emails fired off to the Australians, Canadians and IWM to see what's what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard_Lewis Posted 27 December , 2013 Share Posted 27 December , 2013 Oz gave me a speedy OK to use service record images for a named man. Gratis. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSurrey Posted 27 December , 2013 Share Posted 27 December , 2013 Regimental collections may be cheaper-they may appreciate the publicity.TNA is very generous about allowing extensive quoting from their docs. but can be expensive for reproduction of them. Maps in the Official Histories, which were Crown Copyright, should be copyright expired. Collections you use frequently require a free copy of you book as an additional expense to budget for. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 27 December , 2013 Share Posted 27 December , 2013 IWM very good to me for small number images and small print run. Buckshee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 27 December , 2013 Share Posted 27 December , 2013 Oz gave me a speedy OK to use service record images for a named man. Gratis. Bernard I think the Americans have a similar guy of Italian extraction called Bono Publicas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 27 December , 2013 Share Posted 27 December , 2013 I think the Americans have a similar guy of Italian extraction called Bono Publicas a Pro ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 31 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2013 22 images for a total print run of <2,000 & world-wide licence cost me a tadge over £700. That includes VAT. Just got the quote from IWM and it reflects the sort of pricing Nick mentions. Completely unaffordable for me, unfortunately. May put the complete mockers on the project if I can't get decent cheap images from elsewhere. Not the way I'd hoped to be starting 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMarsdin Posted 31 December , 2013 Share Posted 31 December , 2013 It's a shame that some of the funding for the Centenary couldn't have been used to allow the IWM to permit its photo-library to be used free of charge in small print-run publications (say under 1,000 copies). This would've encouraged more amateur and local-historians tom put their research into print. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Strawbridge Posted 31 December , 2013 Share Posted 31 December , 2013 It's a shame that some of the funding for the Centenary couldn't have been used to allow the IWM to permit its photo-library to be used free of charge in small print-run publications (say under 1,000 copies). This would've encouraged more amateur and local-historians tom put their research into print. I couldn't agree more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 31 December , 2013 Share Posted 31 December , 2013 They need all the money for the photo calls. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmac Posted 31 December , 2013 Share Posted 31 December , 2013 It's a shame that some of the funding for the Centenary couldn't have been used to allow the IWM to permit its photo-library to be used free of charge in small print-run publications (say under 1,000 copies). This would've encouraged more amateur and local-historians tom put their research into print. They did it for me twice in 2006 and 2008. Only paid the costs of the prints. Gentleman at the IWM authorised free use as the books sales were unlikely to exceed 500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roxy Posted 31 December , 2013 Share Posted 31 December , 2013 Hope it works out for you John! Roxy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Hartley Posted 31 December , 2013 Author Share Posted 31 December , 2013 A degree of progress, Roxy. Canadian National Archives confirm I can use their images, without charge. (Edit: And so does the Australian War Memorial. Both involving low-res images, which I've printed out and they seem OK. Both would charge for high-res images. Now, if I keep my fingers crossed, the National Library of Scotland will be in their camp and not IWM's.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinaMoffitt Posted 6 January , 2014 Share Posted 6 January , 2014 I'm writing another book and it looks increasingly likely I'll have to self-publish (actually I'd buy the services of Reveille Press rather than do everything myself). As such, I have something of a need to keep costs down - the public sector pension isnt quite as generous as the Daily Mail would have you believe. Unlike the national collections in Australia and Canada, the IWM charges for commercial use of photos. What I can't find on its website is how much they charge - they state it can vary depending on print run of the book, how big the photos will be on the page, etc. I'd appreciate advice from any other authors abouts costs. Along the same lines, the National Library of Scotland has a goodly number of images and I could use them instead of IWM if it was more cost effective. Any ideas about costs there? Of course, it may all mean I have to resort to just using Australian and Canadian images which would be a shame as the book mainly reflects the British experience. TIA John John what type of images are you after? I have quite a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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