Having trouble finding this lad

[museumtom]

Than you CGM, you are of course correct. I will delete the ones found.

Thank you for putting me straight.

Thanks again Johnnie!.

kind regards.

Tom.

[museumtom]

Hello Lads.

It looked pretty easy, until you try and find them. I assume they are now beyond our capabilities so I have added half a dozen more to the list and passed them on to the IFCP team. With their expertise it should be a bit easier to find or remember them.

Thank you for trying everyone, especially Johnny Doyle.

Kindest regards.

Tom

[Jim Strawbridge]

Than you CGM, you are of course correct. I will delete the ones found.

Thank you for putting me straight.

Thanks again Johnnie!.

kind regards.

Tom.

Tom, I would suggest not deleting them as some of us may still be working on them only to go back and unable to comment. How about just making a note that they are now found as an edit. I have looked into the female casualties that you listed. Am I right in thinking that you just need to know at this stage whether they are eligible for IFTC status? With VADs my understanding is that to be commemorated they need to have served overseas and died from a war related disease or cause.

Meta BURGESS, VAD - the obituary that you have found states that she died in London on the 31st January 1919. It states that she was invalided from France. On the face of it she seems eligible. Those that served overseas should be eligible, at the least, for the British War Medal. I cannot find a MIC for her. The BWM was awarded to officers and men of the British and Imperial Forces who either entered a theatre of war or entered service overseas between 5^th August 1914 and 11^th November 1918 inclusive. This was later extended to services in Russia, Siberia and some other areas in 1919 and 1920. I presume that if she arrived in France post 11/11/18 to work she may not be eligible so a search of records and a death certificate will be needed.

Eleanor Frances HILL, VAD - Ireland was part of the UK and so death in England does not count as overseas service. Seems ineligible.

Edith Maud CRYNAN, French Red Cross - the French Red Cross service is outside of the CWGC commemorative requirement. Seems ineligible.

Hilda F.L.A. PEARE, VAD - Ireland was part of the UK and so death in England does not count as overseas service. Seems ineligible.

Dorothy May JONES, VAD - Medals seem to have been issued so her service in France seems to confirm a note that I have that she served in a military hospital in France (and the In Memorium report that you have found in an Irish newspaper). She drowned off the Leinster whilst on holiday. The sinking was due to enemy action and I see that serving soldiers that were on board were buried in Grangegorman Military Cemetery and given CWGC commemoration status. The only reason that I can see why Dorothy should not be similarly commemorated would be due to her being on vacation. I believe that she was still in service and the holiday break would not change that. Certainly one for the IFTC team, I would have thought.

[museumtom]

Thank you Jim.

I really only removed three, as they were errors in spelling by the papers. I have left the rest up there.

All I want from the names on the list is where they are buried.There were 11 pages of them and came from 510 pages of names from the Irish Times so the percentage of these missing casualties is very low, about 2%

Many thanks for all your information, it is obvious you went to a lot of trouble for this project, for this I am most grateful, thank you.

Kindest regards.

Tom.

[Jim Strawbridge]

All I want from the names on the list is where they are buried.

Meta BURGESS, VAD - unknown burial place at present. We are on the case.

Eleanor Frances HILL, VAD - St. Georges Burial Ground, Whitworth Road, Drumcondra, Dublin

Edith Maud CRYNAN, French Red Cross - died at home in Dublin so presumably buried there

Hilda F.L.A. PEARE, VAD - believed to be buried in Manchester (where she died). We are on the case.

Dorothy May JONES, VAD - Dean's Grange Cemetery, Grange Road, Blackrock, Dublin

[museumtom]

Thank you Jim. Your help is very much appreciated.

Kindest regards.

Tom.

[jdoyle]

Woodman-Killed in action in France on April 23 (25?), 1915, William Ernest Woodman ---in his 20th year, dearly loved and second son of W H Woodman (Woodman, Wilson and Co.) Dublin.

Nearest appears to be Ernest Woodman (date, age and initials of father)

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/911888/WOODMAN,%20ERNEST

The fathers will refers to his late son William Ernest Woodman

http://ngb.chebucto.org/Wills/woodman-william-hunter-14-51.shtml

From school notes (Register of the Royal Grammar School Newcastle upon Tyne 1545-1954, )

Woodman, William Ernest: b. 1892, s. of W.H. Woodman, Newcastle.

Left 1905. At Giggleswick Sch. 1905-8. In business with father in

Newcastle and Dublin. 1st N.F.; in France; mentioned in despatches;

l/cpl. Killed in action Apr. 26, 1915..

[museumtom]

Well done Johnnie. I would not have thought of dropping his first name.

Kind regards.

Tom.

[jdoyle]

McKenna-June 3(1916), killed in action, Joseph Mckenna, Canadian Contingent, son of the late Peter McKenna, Castleknock.

Suspect that this is Peter Joseph McKenna from Dublin

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/1594219/McKENNA,%20PETER%20JOSEPH

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/cef/001042-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=165022&interval=20&&PHPSESSID=htecau7g5upgn9kfsbt3lsbjk4

[jdoyle]

O’Neill-October 26 (1916), at Lucan, County Dublin, after being invalided from France, Private Gerald O’Neill, Royal Dublin Fusiliers.

Nearest match seems to be Gerald O'Neill no 22395 RDF. Enlisted 6th July 1915; discharged 31st July 1916 as a result of wounds. MIC + SWB. Pension record indicates from Lucan, Co Dublin.

Service record shows worked at Anna Liffey Mills, Lucan, father James. Letter from father confirms death as 26th Oct 1916

Possibly IFCP?

[museumtom]

Thanks Johnnie, looks good to me. The list has been passed on to IFCP.

Thanks again a chara.

Tom.

[jdoyle]

The Weekly Irish Times. Ireland’s Roll of Honour. June 12, 1915.
Captain W Dudley Hill.
Captain William Dudley Hill, 3rd (attached 1st) Loyal North Lancashire regiment, who died on May 13, of wounds received in action on May 9, was the youngest son of Lieutenant-Colonel F J Ponsonby hill, late 1st Royal Scots, of Cambridge Lodge, Southbourne, Bournemouth. Captain Hill received his first commission in May, 1901, and retired two years later. He served in the South African War, and received two medals and five clasps. He rejoined his regiment on the outbreak of war, and wasd gazetted Captain in February, preceeding to the front in March. Captain Hill married, in April, 1903, Rachel, youngest daughter of the late W Snow Clifton, of Houghton Lodge, Hants, and Mrs Snow Clifton, of Wrecclesham, Surrey. He leaves two sons.

Hyphenated on CWGC

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/62740/DUDLEY-HILL,%20WILLIAM

http://www.thepeerage.com/p41703.htm

His parents and a couple of siblings were born in Ireland but William appears to have been born in Cheltenham.

[museumtom]

Thank you again Johnny.

Kind regards.

Tom.

[jdoyle]

The Weekly Irish Times. Ireland’s Roll of Honour. August 7, 1915.
Officer Fatally Shot.
An inquest was held on Tuesday on Second Lieutenant John Rundle Harwell, Somerset Regiment, who died at Charing Cross Hospital from the effects of a pistol shot wound. He rank the bell for assistance, and told the chambermaid at his hotel that he has accidentally shot himself. He asked for a doctor. A verdict of death by misadventure wad recorded.

Think this is the following chap

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/75229405/DARWALL,%20JOHN%20RANDLE

http://sussexhistoryforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4645.0;wap2

http://www.doverwarmemorialproject.org.uk/Casualties/WWI/SurnamesD.htm

[jdoyle]

The Irish Times. Ireland’s Roll of Honour. April 23, 1916.
Majors
Major A P Jenkins, Royal Irish Rifles, killed, resided at Lisburn, and was the eldest son of the late Mr W J Jenkins, formerly of Windsor Avenue, Belfast, who died recently in Dublin.

Thought this might be an Easter Rising death but the only chap that I can see who fits is Major Adam Primrose Jenkins; appears on the exonerated officers list.

A son died in 1917

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/435824/JENKINS,%20GARRATT%20PRIMROSE

Reference in the following document that he died in 1928 of wounds

http://www.irelandww1.org/documents/HartleyFirstWorldWarNames.pdf

baptism record gives a match for the fathers initials

Name: Adam Primrose Jenkins Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Oct 1865 Birth Place: Cromac, Antrim, Ireland Father's Name: William John Jenkins Mother's Name: Helen Davie Primrose

[jdoyle]

Kildare.
IFCP.
The Weekly Irish Times. Ireland’s Roll of Honour. September 12, 1914.
Lieutenant R S T Moore, 12th lancers, who was killed in France while fighting with his regiment, the 12th Lancers, was the only son of Colonel and Mrs St Leger Moore, of Killashee, Naas. This young officer was exceedingly popular, not alone in the Counry Kildare, but wherever he went. He was a thorough sportsman, and a soldier who gave his life for his country.

A possible survivor :

http://www.kildare.ie/library/kildarecollectionsandresearchservices/World-war-One/chapter3-letters-from-the-front.asp

In the confusion and chaos of war reality became somewhat uncertain and many who received telegrams on the death of a loved one sought to confirm the details. News reached Colonel and Mrs. St. Leger Moore, Killashee, Naas, Co. Kildare of the death of their only son 24 years old Captain R.S.T. Moore, 12th Lancers, in September 1914. Both travelled to London to confirm the dreaded telegram with the War Office there. When they arrived in London the details were confirmed as definite. However, a further telegram was received by Colonel St. Leger Moore, on returning home, stating that his son was actually wounded and in hospital at Bavai, near Lille in the North of France close to the Belgian Frontier as a Prisoner of War.

He is in this 1929 LG entry (Richard Stephen Tynte Moore) re 12th Lancers

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/33501/supplements/3673/page.pdf

A family tree has him as deceased in 1973.

[museumtom]

My compliments Johnnie, very well done. Those took some lateral searching to find. I thank you again for all your efforts.

Tom.

[jdoyle]

O’Farrell-November 12, 1915, at Cornelscourt, Foxrock, Michael Joseph, late M.T., Army Service Corps, France, eldest and dearly loved son of Joeph and Annie O’Farrell, aged 23 years.
The Irish Times, November 13, 1915. Roll of Honour.
O’Farrell-November 17, 1915, at Cornelscourt, -----, Miachel Joseph, late M.T., Army Service Corps, France, eldest and dearly loved son of Josph and Annie O’Farrell, aged 23 years. R.I.P. Funeral willtake place to Dean’s Grange, tomorrow (Sunday) at 2 p.m.

MIC gives number as M1/6196. discharged 25/7/1915

Pension record just 6196. A chauffeur on enlistment. 52 Co. No longer physically fit for war service. Phthisis is given as cause of illness.

Father Joseph O'Farrell, Foxrock. Note stating "Man died 12/11/1915"

1901 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Stillorgan/Cornelscourt/1314608/

1911 census

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Stillorgan/Cornelscourt_Town/92286/

[jdoyle]

Monks-At the 2nd London Military Hospital, Lieutenant Colonel Charles Monks, son of the late Patrick Monks, of this city.

Possibly Monk rather than Monks

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/4023455/MONK,%20CHARLES

[museumtom]

Good man Johnnie, you are on a roll. You should take this up professionally. Thanks again, your help is invaluable.

Kind regards.

Tom.

[jdoyle]

Salter-July 1-2 (1916), killed in action, Second Lieutenant John William Salter, Royal Irish Rifles, son of Philip and Mrs Salter, Skibbereen.

1911 census has a Philip Salter in Skibbereen

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Skibbereen_Urban/North_Street/441518/

1901 has Philip with a son John William Salter

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Skibbereen_Urban/North_Street/1155473/

Believe that Salter was captured and that this is him relinquishing his commission in 1920

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/31889/supplements/5221

[jdoyle]

Morris-March 19, at “Iverna” Woodland Avenue, Belfast, Captain W A Morris, M.C., Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, from illness contracted on active service, son of the late Wm Morris, Esq, 27th Inniskillings.

MIC for an MID has Quartermaster and Honorary Captain, Inniskilling Fusiliers. Nothing found re an MC yet nor death.

A picture of him in civvies in a group here

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/Lostprepostww1and2.htm

His son gets a write up here

http://northernbankwarmemorials.blogspot.co.uk/2013_01_16_archive.html

and a mention here

http://www.instgreatwar.com/page22.htm

[jdoyle]

now have an MC bit and names : William Albert Morris

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details/C1062248-details

Sgt t Quartermaster and Honorary Lt

http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/27766/pages/1280/page.pdf

[museumtom]

More great answers to unanswerable queries. I seriously think you are the Sherlock Holmes of the forum. Thanks again Johnnie.

Kind regards.

Tom.

[jdoyle]

possibly the death entry for William Morris

Name: William Albert Morris Event Type: Death Event Date: Jan - Mar 1917 Event Place: Belfast, Ireland Registration Quarter and Year: Jan - Mar 1917 Registration District: Belfast Age: 47 Birth Year (Estimated): 1870

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR29-FM7

No CWGC entry that corresponds.

1911 census record (in Hong Kong)

Name: William Albert Morris Age in 1911: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Birth Place: Kent, England County/Island: Military Country: England Military Unit:

1/rl Inniskilling Fusiliers