Muerrisch Posted 17 November , 2013 Share Posted 17 November , 2013 Please do any intact specimens of the commoner wagons and carts survive, and are there good quality illustrations of them? I ask because although I have the 3 parts of ASC training with nice line drawings/ plans, I would like to see photos. The relevant ones [infantry] ......... excuse my ignorance if I get some wrong. are: Wagon GS Mk X wagon limbered cart small arms ammuntion cart, water tank cooker, travelling maltese cart and perhaps cart, forage. I have lovely photos of a Furphy water cart [Oz] but have never seen the real deals otherwise. My Australian friend says that a Furphy is still a term for gossip/ rumour picked up round the water cart! Please does anyone have photos that, if I asked nicely, I could use in a little project? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Zieminski Posted 17 November , 2013 Share Posted 17 November , 2013 David The Queen's Own Royal West Kent Regiment Living History Group owns a Cart, Water Tank (currently being restored but 85% complete) and it's Chairman owns a General Service Wagon - images can be found on the Group website - www.thequeensown.com - under the Project Aquarius banner for the Cart, Water Tank and for the GS Wagon under the Galleries - you are welcome to use any that you wish - If you require bespoke photographs then please email me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester837 Posted 17 November , 2013 Share Posted 17 November , 2013 If my memory serves me correctly there are some wagons etc outside the Hooge Crater Museum. I don't have photos but another member might. Chester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 17 November , 2013 Share Posted 17 November , 2013 Please do any intact specimens of the commoner wagons and carts survive, and are there good quality illustrations of them? I ask because although I have the 3 parts of ASC training with nice line drawings/ plans, I would like to see photos. The relevant ones [infantry] ......... excuse my ignorance if I get some wrong. are: Wagon GS Mk X wagon limbered cart small arms ammuntion cart, water tank cooker, travelling maltese cart and perhaps cart, forage. I have lovely photos of a Furphy water cart [Oz] but have never seen the real deals otherwise. My Australian friend says that a Furphy is still a term for gossip/ rumour picked up round the water cart! Please does anyone have photos that, if I asked nicely, I could use in a little project? Grumpy, Here is a restored Water Cart. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 17 November , 2013 Share Posted 17 November , 2013 GS Wagon. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 17 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2013 Many thanks gentlemen. I have recalled seeing ?several? at the Shire Horse Centre, Norfolk. I will pursue that line too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khaki Posted 17 November , 2013 Share Posted 17 November , 2013 I apologize if I am taking this in a slightly different direction, but apart from purpose built war wagons and carts, were they constructed any differently than standard farm or commercial wagons ?. By that I mean lighter and or stronger body, wider wheels for mud etc ? khaki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 17 November , 2013 Share Posted 17 November , 2013 Grumpy, Here is a Regimental Medical Officer's horse-drawn Maltese Cart, one for each battalion as per 1915 regs. The veil on the horse's eyes is to help keep the flies off. Plus a Mk.I Light Ambulance Wagon, note 2 pairs of stretcher handles sticking out of the back board. Regards, LF C/o S. Chambers - Uniforms and Equipment of the British Army WW1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 17 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 17 November , 2013 http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2011-06-15-images-TheGoulashCannon.jpg I have not seen a good photo of the British equivalent though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire Fusilier Posted 17 November , 2013 Share Posted 17 November , 2013 Grumpy, A preserved GS Wagon. Regards, LF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 18 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 November , 2013 Now that is lovely! Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobL Posted 18 November , 2013 Share Posted 18 November , 2013 The GS wagon above is at IWM Duxford and missing the seat (despite someone offering to supply one for it!). X2 GS Wagons outside Hooge Crater museum as mentioned. There was another water cart on eBay about a year ago (at a guess) but very far gone. Not aware of any surviving GS limbers or field kitchens, Richard Fisher on here has one portion of a machine gun cart - and the Great War Society has a replica of the man-hauled Lewis gun cart There is an original Lewis gun cart at Hendon but civilianised, it's a civilian cart in a blitz display! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 18 November , 2013 Share Posted 18 November , 2013 I recall that one of our Pals, IanW, I think, took and posted a series of magnificent photographs of the restored GS wagon, drawn by a team from the King's Troop RHA, that carried the last coffin from Pheasant Wood on the day of the dedication of the new Fromelles (Pheasant Wood) Cemetery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 18 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 November , 2013 Thanks again for all the above: considering the passage of time, and the rough life the wagons and carts lived, perhaps we should not be surprised at how little has survived. Deeply regrettable, though. I have rediscovered Smith's Shire booklet on my shelves .............. very compact and not at all bad, with a few decent images. Copyrighted, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted 18 November , 2013 Share Posted 18 November , 2013 There's a GS wagon in Aldershot Army Museum. I think I have a picture somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobL Posted 18 November , 2013 Share Posted 18 November , 2013 Someone mentioned they haven't seen the British equivalent of the 'goulash cannon' - here is the Great War Society's replica. Like the water cart, they are not 1/1 scale and are actually 3/4 - at the time these were built there was great difficulty in finding suitable wheels, and so they were scaled to match, and it also helps with transportation (just able to fit in the back of a Luton lorry, along with bell tents etc etc!) http://thegreatwarsocietyhospital.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/b2.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 18 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 November , 2013 Someone mentioned they haven't seen the British equivalent of the 'goulash cannon' - here is the Great War Society's replica. Like the water cart, they are not 1/1 scale and are actually 3/4 - at the time these were built there was great difficulty in finding suitable wheels, and so they were scaled to match, and it also helps with transportation (just able to fit in the back of a Luton lorry, along with bell tents etc etc!) http://thegreatwarsocietyhospital.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/b2.jpg Many thanks, a great photograph. Pity they could not get 3/4 scale blokes to pose with it, and a small dog, and a pony .............. a 3/4 pint mug ........ Come to think of it I am 3/4 size vertically, but 1 and 1/3 horizontally. Oh Well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobL Posted 18 November , 2013 Share Posted 18 November , 2013 Come to think of it think there is an ambulance wagon in the Army Medical Services museum at Aldershot too. The one used at Fromelles was restored by Nigel Bristow and think it usually resides at the Royal Logistic Corps Museum There was a grey painted GS wagon used in a Second Boer War re-enactment at the English Heritage Festival of History, Kelmarsh in 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 18 November , 2013 Author Share Posted 18 November , 2013 Thank you I shall follow all of these up of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grovetown Posted 21 November , 2013 Share Posted 21 November , 2013 Pity they could not get 3/4 scale blokes to pose with it, and a small dog, and a pony .............. Not least as many re-enactors seem to be 1.5x compared to actual men of the period (and, in some more 'prosperous' examples, of average men today).... Cheers, GT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arie Posted 21 November , 2013 Share Posted 21 November , 2013 Hi, this site http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/english_plateforme.html is also worth visiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 14 March , 2015 Share Posted 14 March , 2015 I have attached photos of, 1) Ambulance wagon; used in WWI, presumably British or French 2) A field cooker (HOMS, 1916; Spanish). Possibly similar to the British version, included to give some idea of size and layout. Photos taken in Oct. 2014 in the Museum of Science, Granada, Spain. Regards, JMB More photos....... JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 14 March , 2015 Share Posted 14 March , 2015 Final photos..... Last one !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 14 March , 2015 Author Share Posted 14 March , 2015 Thank you very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anneca Posted 15 March , 2015 Share Posted 15 March , 2015 I took this photo in the Canadian War Museum of a GS Wagon. Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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